January 21, 201313 yr From a mass email sent by ANJRPC: Dedicated to responsible firearms ownership and use since 1934 LEGISLATIVE WARNING FROM EVAN NAPPEN: SOME NJ GUN BILLS COULD CANCEL ALL NJ FID CARDS, MANDATE POLICE TURN-IN OR FACE FELONY By Evan F. Nappen, Attorney at Law (Exclusive to ANJRPC) Out of the 23 bills recently filed in New Jersey, three dealing with mental health evaluations as a condition of issuance of FID cards contain potential severe unintended consequences that could invalidate every FID card in the state. They are A3688 (sponsors: Mainor and Jimenez), A3667 (sponsors: Cryan, O'Donnell, and Jasey) and A3676 (sponsor: Jimenez.) All three of these bills require a mental health evaluation approved by the Superintendent of State police as a condition for issuance of a New Jersey Firearms Purchaser ID card under N.J.S. 2C:58-3c. Failure to do so is explicitly a "disability” under N.J.S. 2C:58-3c A3676 also requires a privacy invading in-home inspection as a condition for issuance of an FID card, and A3688 requires submission of a list of household members with mental illness to the police to receive an FID card. Failure to obey these requirements are also explicitly "disabilities” under N.J.S. 2C:58-3c. New Jersey law provides that an FID card is void if the holder becomes subject to a "disability.” Accordingly, if these bills take effect, ALL persons already holding an FID card who have not had the home inspection, psychological evaluation, or provided the list of household members (and thereby overcome the "disabilities” imposed by the legislation) MUST TURN IN their Firearms ID card to the Police. The turn in must be done within 5 days by law or face prosecution for 4th Degree Crime (Felony -18 months prison time.) TAKE OUT YOUR OWN FID AND READ THE WARNING ON THE BACK. These three bills have the potential to void every FID card in the state, and require their immediate return! See for yourself. The law under NJS 58-3f. states: "A firearms purchaser identification card shall be valid until such time as the holder becomes subject to any of the disabilities set forth in subsection c. of this section, whereupon the card shall be void and shall be returned within five days by the holder to the superintendent, who shall then advise the licensing authority. Failure of the holder to return the firearms purchaser identification card to the superintendent within the said five days shall be an offense under subsection a. of N.J.S.2C:39-10.” ____________________________________ ANJRPC will continue to monitor this legislation (along with the dozens of others being monitored) and will alert you and request action on your part at key points in the legislative process.
January 21, 201313 yr I think that if this should come to pass I'm out of NJ. Kansas now has Google fiber and the startup scene is now growing as a result. I have to do research on Kansas" laws and regulations on firearms.
January 21, 201313 yr I think that if this should come to pass I'm out of NJ. Kansas now has Google fiber and the startup scene is now growing as a result. I have to do research on Kansas" laws and regulations on firearms. +1 I'll be heading to the Carolinas if this passes; I'm already half way out of the state but this would get me to move A.S.A.P.
January 21, 201313 yr I don't even know what to say. But thank you for sharing it. I am trying right now to remain calm. Please keep sharing info like this. I am already moving to SC this summer but it still infuriates me.
January 21, 201313 yr If any of those pass, we should IMMEDIATELY file a suit against this state. Can you imagine the amount of manpower and money they would have to allocate to reprocess EVERYONE? They could just say "Oh, well we don't have the time right now." and have the inspection service/mental check be allocated to one person two hours every week, resulting in pretty much a statewide confiscation/ban scheme.
January 21, 201313 yr this shit wont pass I'm pretty sure some New Yorkers said that exact phrase last week.
January 21, 201313 yr this shit wont pass We have to make sure it isn't even considered. Let's keep up the letter writing, calling, and confronting our representatives. Who, by the way, probably don't care and wont do anything. Unfortunately, it feels like we aren't being represented at all. Hmm.. kind of reminds of a time in our nation's history when so many laws were shoved down our throats and we had no one to represent and stand up for us...
January 21, 201313 yr They can keep their friggin absurd unconstitutional gimmick of card. I own a fuckton of land in AZ and I'm always welcome in my families home state of VA. People really should leave this state. You can only gain your freedom, a job and better weather.
January 21, 201313 yr this shit wont pass nope I'm pretty sure some New Yorkers said that exact phrase last week. we don't have an idiot like Cuomo for governor.
January 21, 201313 yr nope we don't have an idiot like Cuomo for governor. You're right. We got a sneakier, more thoughtful snake in Christie. While weighing on what he's saying, I'd be more careful with what he's not saying...
January 21, 201313 yr I was about to send a letter to my senator and reps, even though they're all republican, just in case any of them are on the fence since my district includes parts of Passaic and Essex counties as well as Morris. Unfortunately, I'm not quite as good at writing these things, so does anyone have or know of a semi-form letter that I can use, I'd greatly appreciate it. I even started considering going to the rally, but my wife will be 9 months pregnant, 2 weeks before her due date, so I don't think she'll like it if I'm nearly 2 hours away from home for the day.
January 21, 201313 yr They can keep their friggin absurd unconstitutional gimmick of card. I own a fuckton of land in AZ and I'm always welcome in my families home state of VA. People really should leave this state. You can only gain your freedom, a job and better weather. My entire family has been contemplating that move for a while now. Thinking either PA or Texas. The more I read that first post though, the more I think that they could not pass something like that without facing massive legislative retribution. It could collapse their entire permit system if suddenly a million people were unable to purchase firearms when they had the ability to do so the day before. Regardless, I think up and out of the state is the last best hope for people seeking freedom (and not just regarding firearms).
January 21, 201313 yr When will these be voted on? I hope Christie doesnt allow this but who knows what will happen with him.
January 21, 201313 yr These bills (A3688, A3667 and A3676) still need to clear the Assembly Law and Public Safety Committee in order to reach the Assembly floor for a vote. Stay tuned, as The Stomach Turns.
January 21, 201313 yr These are Assembly Bill numbers. They were referred to Law and Public Safety committee last week. If committee passes the bills then they get referred to general assembly. The list of Assemblymen/women that sit on the L&PS committee are below. If they are your representatives, you can reach out to them to express your concerns. Mainor is Chair and co-sponsor of A3688, which is pretty similar to A3676 except he tacked his name on. Could be he horse traded to get his name on her bill, and in exchange use his position as committee chair to push the bill out of committee. Nappen only listed 3, but 9 different anti-gun bills hit committee last week. For example, - limiting magazine capacity to 5 - every box of ammo must have unique serial number, and illegal to sell, transport or possess of ammo that does not have serial number. - 50 cal banned. Charles Mainor - Chair - District 31 Gilbert Wilson - Vice Chair, District 5 Nelson Albano - District 1 Daniel Benson - District 14 Sean Connors - District 33 Joseph Cryan - District 20 Sean Kean - District 30 Gregoy McGuckin - District 10 Erik Peterson - District 23 David Rible - District 30 Bonnie Watson Coleman - District 15
January 21, 201313 yr Everyone needs to be there on 2/8! We have to be there to show we did our best to stop this. If this stuff passes.. I am out of here. If this stuff doesn't pass I am out of here. I only hope this last November was the last time I vote in NJ at least physically.
January 21, 201313 yr You're right. We got a sneakier, more thoughtful snake in Christie. While weighing on what he's saying, I'd be more careful with what he's not saying... He isn't doing anything... I have no worries. you guys think things that are stupid sometimes.
January 21, 201313 yr I don't know how many gun owners there are in NJ but if this BS passes I guess they have enough room in the prisons for all of us. We need to stick together more so now then ever! CC is going to be very unpredictable about what he will favor under his newly appointed team for the violence study. I'm hoping he's going to give us some insight at the rally and not treat us like some bunch of criminals.
January 21, 201313 yr Christie has been fighting with the legislature since 2010 over supreme court nominations, and among others, vetoed gay marriage and vetoed Obamacare exchanges. He's appointed a commission on gun violence. He has his sights set on the White House -- or at least on the Naval Observatory. Maybe he'll commit Republican suppuku and sign this?
January 21, 201313 yr this shit wont pass Every time I hear someone say that I think of what my relatives in Poland were saying 70 years ago:
January 21, 201313 yr Screw 'em.... Everyone refuse to get the med checks, refuse to turn in your FID... wait for them to come arrest you... laugh while in back of the police car... then when arriving at the prison, watch them all scratch their heads and try figure where to put everyone. What dumasses... Tin foil hat still on!
January 21, 201313 yr Since everyone seems to be running out with their tails between their legs.. Is anyone actually going to be around to fight this? Who's on our side on these topics? Let's stop talking about the gun grabbers and start cheer-leading the people that actually matter. Which political figures are fighting this crap the loudest right now? Who's our representative in Gun RIGHTS? We need a list.. if it exists.
January 21, 201313 yr jumped thru the hoops/got the card/havent been a bad boy.did my part.now they want to go back and change the rules..wtf....the whole assembly/legislature/public safety officials should get fired.
January 21, 201313 yr There are about 8 states that think like New Jersey when it comes to firearms, and 42 states that are 2A friendly. But Christie needs to convince Republican primary voters in the other 42. If the NJ legislature was thinking strategically about actually changing NJ firearms laws, they'd wait for the commission's report and come up with a "reasonable" bill. If they pass an unreasonable bill before the report it will be easier for Christie to veto it on multiple grounds. My guess is they expect him to veto whatever they pass and plan to use the veto in ads against him in an effort to bring down his approval numbers before November. I think they are very concerned about a bloodbath in the down-ticket races. So why not pass a bill that's outrageous and probably unconstitutional? http://thehill.com/b...ers-in-new-poll A Fairleigh Dickinson University Public Mind Poll gives him double-digit leads over three tested Democrats, only one of whom has officially announced her intention to pursue the seat. Christie leads Democrats' first official candidate, state Sen. Barbara Buono, with 64 percent support to her 21. He leads potential candidate state Sen. Richard Codey with 59 percent support to Codey's 26 percent, and takes 65 percent support to state Sen. Steve Sweeney's 19. And even among Democratic respondents, none of the three potential contenders manages to take 50 percent support. That's partly because Christie remains well-liked in New Jersey, with 73 percent of registered voters saying they approve of the job he's doing as governor — his second-highest approval rating to date. That strong approval, coupled with more than $2 million already in his campaign coffers for his next bid, could explain why no Democrat other than Buono has yet officially launched a bid to challenge Christie.
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