Look at it this way, if the next election is Hillary vs Christie do you think there is going to be any gun owner or any republican who will NOT vote for Christie because he signed a 10rd mag limit?

I wouldn't, but then again, I didn't vote for Romney. I voted libertarian.

 

I'm open to considering votiing for Christie however signing these bills would be the preverbial death bite as far as I'm concerned.

Well how you or I vote hardly matters. What was the total libertarian vote again? How many libertarians voted R because they though it was the lesser evil?

Look at it this way, if the next election is Hillary vs Christie do you think there is going to be any gun owner or any republican who will NOT vote for Christie because he signed a 10rd mag limit?

 

You are assuming he will get the nomination and like Romney vs. Obama, he will get just enough to not win.

Well how you or I vote hardly matters.

On this I agree. If I lived in a swing state, where my vote would/might have made an actual difference in the result I might have considered holding my nose and taking one for the team.

 

Getting back on topic, I don't agree that Christie is going to sign them with a smile, and I'll take your Dollar to my donut wager. : ) I believe he's going to let the SAFE task force weigh in, and then measure that against the political winds, and go from there. I'd like to believe that he's got some backbone and actually votes based on principal. I use his possition on gay marraige. he doesn't believe in it, but if it were to pass a referendum of the voters, he'd sign it.

 

Bottom line, we still need to keep up the pressure, and I'm going to do what I can.

You are on, my dollar to your doughnut. Pumpkin please.

 

Look at this is way. If I win, it means bad laws have been passed but at least I get a doughnut. If I lose, I'm out $1, but I don't have to buy new neutered mags.

 

But yes, in the meanwhile we should continue keeping up the pressure, because I rather be out $1 then have a doughnut.

I'd like to punch Adam lanza in the face

I'd like to punch Adam lanza in the face

 

A 10mm bullet beat you to it

I'd like to punch Adam lanza in the face

 

If it wasn't him, there would be another in a day or a month or a year. The libtards are always ready to pounce.

 

People like Adam Lanza are the reason we need guns.

Yeah I understand I'm just very frustrated with all of this

If you're relying on "....Christie will lose our support when he runs for Pres...." obviously you've never heard of or understand the electoral college system.

If you're relying on "....Christie will lose our support when he runs for Pres...." obviously you've never heard of or understand the electoral college system.

 

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Not sure what you point is but do you think if he moves left on guns he can manage to pull off Texas, Ohio, Pennsylvania or Virginia in a primary or general election? How many Republicans do you remember becoming POTUS without winning the electoral votes from those states?

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Not sure what you point is but do you think if he moves left on guns he can manage to pull off Texas, Ohio, Pennsylvania or Virginia in a primary or general election? How many Republicans do you remember becoming POTUS without winning the electoral votes from those states?

 

With elections, it's not necessarilly about convincing swing voters (even though that is very important). A highly overlooked portion is motivating your political base.

 

All things considered, Romney was a lot closer to Obama than would have been expected. Even though Obama won, it wasn't by the huge amount one would have expected, especially given the media bias. His failure to turn the economy around, particularly for young voters meant that while they may not have voted for Romney, they didn't vote for Obama either, they either went libertarian, or, simply stayed home.

 

Christie would, if running for POTUS, still likely win traditional red states. However, in many swing states, he probably would lose because the Republicans, or right-leaning independents/undecideds who may be more apt to vote for him, may not be as motivated to do so, and might just stay home that day.

 

That being said, the Republicans need to refocus their message. They have (inaccurately) been labled as racists, and friends of the rich because they don't support a nanny-state. They've failed to capitalize on their message that anyone can be a self-made success, no matter the race.

 

Obama also reaped the benefits of the 2008 election, where large community pushes to register people to vote, who had not done so in the past (particularly young voters) helped him win this time. Even if they weren't as motivated, if they were still registered from the last election, that's one less thing they would have to do in order to vote, and if they still supported him, even if not as much as 2008, they would still be more likely to vote than if they hadn't already registered.

 

I had a great laugh after the election at all the people I knew who voted on Obama because he "supported" gay marriage. I had often posted information during the campaign showing that he didn't support it, and that his "evolving stance" he took up in May before the election was a political move to motivate young voters, and some left-leaning independents, and that he had no real intention on supporting it. Two weeks after the election he came out and said "Now is not the time to work on gay marriage." Basically proving he had only "supported" it in prior months to get votes.