Didn't we use the same sheet of paper for both mine and Anthony's scores? In any event, i sent Matt and Vlad a note. Should be easy to resolve.

Same sheet, you on one side and Ant'nee on the other.

 

Vlad gave us 2 sheets but one blew away into a puddle.

I didnt come in last in one stage in Open. wahoo!

I used the classifier calculator and am shooting at a high D level, and actually managed to squeak in a "C" this past weekend. Something like 40.012%, lol.

But, are you really shooting open, or was that a mistake?

 

When I punch in my HF in the production class I get a solid C @ 47.2709, but if I enter that same HF in open I get a D @ 39.8710.

 

I still don't fully understand how the scores actually work. High hit factor = good....low hit factor = bad.

You use your HF for the qualifier only. And yes, you do it in production.

 

and no, I was not shooting open with iron sighted Beretta 92, LOL.

Mike, hit factor is the number of points you scored, minus any penalties, divided by your time. So in stage 2 you had 120 points and zero penalties, divided by your time of 27.46 gives you your hit factor of 4.3700. Now the winner of the stage had a hit factor of 8.7240, so he gets 100% of the available stage points. Everyone else's score is based off of his, so second place had a hit factor of 7.4486 which is 85.38% of the first place hit factor, and then it goes right on down the line.

What I meant to say or imply or question was whether or not your hit factor would be different when your division is corrected from open to production.

 

I totally don't understand how scoring works.

Mike hit factor has nothing to do with your division, it is simply your points, minus penalties, divided by time. See above your post.

The classifiers are based on a national average for that division, so you will always get something different for a given HF in each division.

Mike, hit factor is the number of points you scored, minus any penalties, divided by your time.

Oh. That seems so simple. lol

 

So your classification or division has no impact on your hit factor.

You hit factor is merely a simple calculation of your points and time and your place in class as a percentage of the winner as Frank pointed out.

 

But for your classifier percentaged for your division national ranking, your raw hit factor for the classifier is calculated against a set of known "best of all time" hit factors for those stages to come up with your percentage as it compares with the rest of the nation. That's why you need to plug the HF into CMCalc to get that percentage.

Thanks Frank.

 

Bottom line, I shot better than Ant'nee....so he gets to mow the lawn. lol

Yeah you did. And no I won't.

Oh. That seems so simple. lol

 

So your classification or division has no impact on your hit factor.

 

Only power factor affects hit factor. Division changes what the 100% hit factor is for the classifier as determined by USPSA. Open tends to have a higher 100% hit factor than limited which is higher than produciton (most of the time, there are a couple classifiers where production shooters kicked ass when setting the high hit factor and GM is actualy harder in production than limited).

 

SO for example, the 100% hit factor for a classifier might be 11 for open, 10.2 for limited, and 9.8 for production.

 

Anthony is open minor U pending finding his division and class info. So his hit factor won't change going to production as minor is minor.

Long story short, I sucked this weekend. You could put me in an archery division and it would not help.

Yeah you did. And no I won't.

Pfft....be that way.

 

I'm still going to do a happy dance and you can't stop me.

Long story short, I sucked this weekend. You could put me in an archery division and it would not help.

Truth told, before the scores were reported I thought you had done well. You were flying through the stages and I thought you crushed me. It's nice to have another production shooter in the crew to compete against, especially since Jon didn't shoot with us this weekend. lol

I flew, but missed too much.

Shoot as fast as you can without missing.

 

Was chatting with one of the GM's at nationals or sometime ago, and they basically mentioned... unless you are shooting 90% of the total stage points, you are shooting too fast.

 

Other thing to consider... shooting faster is not always the solution if it means you are shooting a lot more charlies and deltas.

 

for minor scoring, think of it this way... A - 5, b/c - 3, d - 1

So, by shooting a Bravo/Charlie you are giving up 40% of avail points, and shooting a Delta you are giving up 80% of the avail points..... are you really shooting 40% and 80% faster by taking an appropriate sight picture for a B/C versus taking a split second faster to make sure you get that Alpha?

 

For Major scoring... the equation is a tad different... A - 5, B/C - 4, D - 2.... Here you are only giving up 20% as opposed to 40% for minor... and a lot of people at lower levels can get away with it, and can shoot 20% faster.... however at the serious end of competition... it's all about the alphas.

 

Look at Eric Grauffels scores for winning USPSA nationals.... for production...

 

http://www.uspsa.org/uspsa-display-match-results-detail.php?action=summary&indx=6441&compid=401

 

Over 18 stages... 365 Alphas 9 Bravos 48 Charlies 5 Deltas 1 Mike.

 

85% of his hits were Alphas.

 

He won by a long shot... yet he was not the fastest overall, I believe he had the fastest time only on a few stages.... however at the end of the day, its about the points.

Yep. Last week, I concentrated on hits. This week I concentrated on speed. Too much too soon. Will go back to making sure of the hits.

Sometimes going stupid fast and missing a lot is fun too. You of course don't win that way, but we also do this for fun. Just make sure you know your limits and don't get unsafe about it. Every now and then I shoot a match balls out, damn the score, run at GM speed even if miss 1/3 of the shots just to get it out of my system.

 

Plus you actually learn some things when you do that.

My speed wasn't in the neighborhood of GM, but I was moving well, for a big man. OK Sumo type. so I am fat, so what?

 

But safety is always my paramount thought.

The sad thing is, I was getting a lot of Alphas, but also a lot of Mikes. Not many Charlies or Deltas. So it was either pretty accurate, or a complete miss. THOSE are what killed me.

The sad thing is, I was getting a lot of Alphas, but also a lot of Mikes. Not many Charlies or Deltas. So it was either pretty accurate, or a complete miss. THOSE are what killed me.

 

Odds are you aren't aiming your second shot, you are "double tapping" where you aim your first shot but not the second. You get an A when you aim and your second shot probably goes high as you don't wait for the gun to settle back and because you are not aiming you aren't seeing this.

yep. dead on.

BTW, I took pictures with my cell phone of the sheet of scores for Jon and Anthony if you need it.

BTW, I took pictures with my cell phone of the sheet of scores for Jon and Anthony if you need it.

 

Hey Now, That is something the Tax man would do..