I have always kept 500 to 1000 rounds of any round I shoot a lot of and thats about it. I know some guys and gals like to keep a bunch more for shooting games and other things. But why are the pleasure shooters and very minimal shooters hording all the ammo? Is it for profit? For fear of an ammo Ban? I would like to know your reasoning for trying to buy every box off the shelf you can get?

I have no problem with free market prices. Just curious.

 

 

Just my opinion on the matter;

 

How to stop the shortage!

Stop buying more than you need.

Don't over pay aftermarket price unless you have no option and are out.

If everyone in the country did this we would be back to the norm in a few months.

All the the people buying just to sell at a profit would slow down and go away.

 

This is not a attack on anyone person or an other just my opinion! Also would just like to get a feel for Why this is going on and other points of view.

There will always be panic buying driven by fear and mis-understanding.

Yes.

No such thing as having too much ammo in uncertain times. Barring of course a structural collapse from the weight...or a fire.

Well I have bought more than I need right now for a good reason. It is much cheaper to buy it online than in-person and our idiots in Trenton are looking to take away that option. So, when I see a "Good" price I buy it, as I know I will use it and it will only be more expensive when our legislators screw us over.

I have always kept 500 to 1000 rounds of any round I shoot a lot of and thats about it. I know some guys and gals like to keep a bunch more for shooting games and other things. But why are the pleasure shooters and very minimal shooters hording all the ammo? Is it for profit? For fear of an ammo Ban? I would like to know your reasoning for trying to buy every box off the shelf you can get?

I have no problem with free market prices. Just curious.

 

 

Just my opinion on the matter;

 

How to stop the shortage!

Stop buying more than you need.

Don't over pay aftermarket price unless you have no option and are out.

If everyone in the country did this we would be back to the norm in a few months.

All the the people buying just to sell at a profit would slow down and go away.

 

This is not a attack on anyone person or an other just my opinion! Also would just like to get a feel for Why this is going on and other points of view.

 

As with any bubble there will be a bust at some point, and those who are buying with the hope of selling at a higher price will eventually get stuck and stop. Like anything else nothing goes up forever.

I heard online ammo dealers sell under multiple site names.

Also, dealers or greedy people buy up all the stuff & sell them on auction sites.

And don't count the govt out on buying up ammo.

I have always kept 500 to 1000 rounds of any round I shoot a lot of and thats about it. I know some guys and gals like to keep a bunch more for shooting games and other things. But why are the pleasure shooters and very minimal shooters hording all the ammo? Is it for profit? For fear of an ammo Ban? I would like to know your reasoning for trying to buy every box off the shelf you can get?

I have no problem with free market prices. Just curious.

 

 

Just my opinion on the matter;

 

How to stop the shortage!

Stop buying more than you need.

Don't over pay aftermarket price unless you have no option and are out.

If everyone in the country did this we would be back to the norm in a few months.

All the the people buying just to sell at a profit would slow down and go away.

 

This is not a attack on anyone person or an other just my opinion! Also would just like to get a feel for Why this is going on and other points of view.

 

You are forgetting that there is a crop of new shooters needing ammo, too.

not to throw a wrench in but, april is supposed to be 10%-15% increase in ammo prices

not to throw a wrench in but, april is supposed to be 10%-15% increase in ammo prices

 

Source? Reason?

You are forgetting that there is a crop of new shooters needing ammo, too.

 

Good point

"back to the norm in a few months"

you think? what happens when our national debt hits $20 trillion?

Fortunate in the fact that I kept quite a bit of my main caliber [9mm] on hand before the SHTF but availability or lack there of and the utterly outrageous prices being asked prevents me from doing much shooting or buying.

I am astounded at the ferocity of some of our members when a lot of 9mm is offered and equally astounded at the asking prices but what really get me is that some of the very same players in these transactions are there to pipe in when the subject of hoarding,profiteering and the sad state of ammo come up,as it frequently does.

Also I do admire the noble and patient ones who has been forum members but silently so for years and fortuitously reemerge with "overbought" or "sold the gun but hung on to the ammo" lots at times asking 100%+ markups to save the day.

Perhaps I'm a fool....no I am a fool... but I'll just wait and see what develops and hang on to my stash.

Source? Reason?

source: biggest ammo distributor on east coast

reason? could only guess, supply/demand/manufacturing increase/distributing cost increase

"back to the norm in a few months"

you think? what happens when our national debt hits $20 trillion?

 

In order to sustain this level of debt the US government is forced to print lots and lots of $$, this coupled with ultra- low interest rates for a sustained period of time will eventually lead to devaluation of the dollar, which in turn makes everything we buy from overseas more expensive and makes our exports more attractive.

 

This will definitely lead to price increases in the US, since imports will be more expensive and exports will rise.

This is all good valid information. .

not to throw a wrench in but, april is supposed to be 10%-15% increase in ammo prices

Where did that come from?

source: biggest ammo distributor on east coast

reason? could only guess, supply/demand/manufacturing increase/distributing cost increase

 

Who is this biggest distributor on the east coast?

Did I miss something but where has the Govt talked seriously about banning ammo?( other than the .50 cal) I just dont get all the excuses people are using to stockpile every round they find..i understand people keep enough to train and enough for defense.. But when hoarders , who fancied themselves on the fact they were all knowing and stocked up before the craze, are still buying copious amounts of ammo at these double or triple prices. Why? Time for a little self control people.. Take a few weeks off and see how this supply/price thing starts turning around.. These antigunners must be pissing their pants laughing how just some talk has emptied the pockets of so many shooters because of hoarding and panic buying.

Who is this biggest distributor on the east coast?

I don't care to mention who they are cause they don't do retail, they supply law enforcement agencies from Maine-Virginia, in additon to shops & ranges

I'm not buying more than I need, just redefining what I need, which for me is enough to sustain me though a 2-3 years' drought.

 

Given all the nonsense going on, I've come to realize that it's quite easy for multi year defacto bans to be instituted. My perfect storm situation is quite simple:

 

1) Every 5 year reapplication for FID law makes system crash when 500k people are required to reapply next year and another 500k the year after, and then 200k every year after than ad infinitum.

2) FID required for ammo purchase.

 

There, now no one can buy guns or ammo until the democrats realize what they've done and allocate massive funds to fix the FID system and help get guns into the hands of law abiding citizens! Or we sue them. In either case, years. Even worse if bordering states refuse to sell to us in violation of our local laws, just as they won't sell us long guns without FID.

 

You want to make it worse? Add on Cryan's bill requiring background checks for all ammo purchases. If they're 1600 behind on background checks for gun purchases, multiply that by one or two orders of magnitude if every stinking box of shells requires the dealer to fill out a form, fax it in, wait to hear back, and call the customer back. I can't imagine many dealers going through that hassle for a couple of dollars margin.

 

Other fun scenarios involve "sensible" taxes on ammunition, like the 25% tax proposed in MA, on top of giving a dwindling number of dealers monopoly power by outlawing online sales, which could easily raise prices multiple fold.

 

These are just a few plausible scenarios I've thought up. I'm sure there are plenty that haven't even occurred to my paranoid mind.

 

So, for now, I'm not overpaying for anything. I've stopped buying .22, and 12 gauge target rounds, as I feel I have enough to last a couple of years. I've just purchased an M1 Garand and a M-N M44, and have a few hundred rounds for each. Once I actually fire the rifles and get a sense of how much I'll be firing in the future and how happy I am with the surplus ammo, I'll probably stock up on a few 1000 rounds of M2 ball and/or 7.62 x 54.

 

Oh, and I have several thousand pellets for my precision air guns. If the SHTF, that will feed my family for years, before I have to fire a single firearm round. Don't discount airguns. They're quiet, relatively safe from gun grabbers, lots of fun in the basement, and superb survival tools.

Did I miss something but where has the Govt talked seriously about banning ammo?( other than the .50 cal) I just dont get all the excuses people are using to stockpile every round they find..i understand people keep enough to train and enough for defense.. But when hoarders , who fancied themselves on the fact they were all knowing and stocked up before the craze, are still buying copious amounts of ammo at these double or triple prices. Why? Time for a little self control people.. Take a few weeks off and see how this supply/price thing starts turning around.. These antigunners must be pissing their pants laughing how just some talk has emptied the pockets of so many shooters because of hoarding and panic buying.

relax, there are some on here who will defend speculation and price gouging. they consider ammo optional & not a necessity. hence, not subject to regulation & rationing.

you know, free markets at its best? invisible hand? survivial of the fittest?

Did I miss something but where has the Govt talked seriously about banning ammo?( other than the .50 cal) I just dont get all the excuses people are using to stockpile every round they find..i understand people keep enough to train and enough for defense.. But when hoarders , who fancied themselves on the fact they were all knowing and stocked up before the craze, are still buying copious amounts of ammo at these double or triple prices. Why? Time for a little self control people.. Take a few weeks off and see how this supply/price thing starts turning around.. These antigunners must be pissing their pants laughing how just some talk has emptied the pockets of so many shooters because of hoarding and panic buying.

See my post above. The gun grabbers aren't stupid, and they aren't principled. If they can't get away with an actual ban, which they can't, they have many ways to make it extremely painful and expensive to get ammo.

 

As long as I'm not paying panic prices, which I'm not, I really don't see the downside in having a bit too much. Worst case is that, with a massive supply glut, prices will plunge even lower than pre-panic levels. I don't see that happening, and if it does, so what? So I will have paid $0.20/round for match quality .22, rather than $0.15/round. I'll take that risk to mitigate the risks I outlined above.

I think it's mostly hoarding. Eventually people will think they have enough stockpiled and will go back to ordering 200-300 rounds at a time to "top off". My prediction: the shortage will last for a while, but will stop very suddenly.

 

 

As with any bubble there will be a bust at some point, and those who are buying with the hope of selling at a higher price will eventually get stuck and stop. Like anything else nothing goes up forever.

 

Gas? Lol...

 

See my post above. The gun grabbers aren't stupid, and they aren't principled. If they can't get away with an actual ban, which they can't, they have many ways to make it extremely painful and expensive to get ammo.

 

As long as I'm not paying panic prices, which I'm not, I really don't see the downside in having a bit too much. Worst case is that, with a massive supply glut, prices will plunge even lower than pre-panic levels. I don't see that happening, and if it does, so what? So I will have paid $0.20/round for match quality .22, rather than $0.15/round. I'll take that risk to mitigate the risks I outlined above.

Problem is your not paying panic priced but way too many are.. The antis arent stupid but apparently we are. We have managed to play into their "we talk you pay "price scheme pretty well

I think it's mostly hoarding. Eventually people will think they have enough stockpiled and will go back to ordering 200-300 rounds at a time to "top off". My prediction: the shortage will last for a while, but will stop very suddenly.

I believe that also but I wouldn't underestimate just how much is being flipped,bouncing around the various sites and blogs you'll see just how panicked folks are and what they are willing to pay...A perfect storm of supply,and unreasoning demand.

Thank goodness we have ethical dealers like Midway. When I was still in buying mode, I'd just religiously check their stock, and things would dribble in ever so often. It happened a couple of days ago where some bulk .22 went from "no backorder" to "backorder OK." Small victories. You can build up what you need at reasonable prices by following this practice.

 

When the dust settles, I hope we all have long memories of how different vendors behaved in the crisis. I know most of my gun-related business will go to Midway and general sporting business to Cabelas.

+1 for Midway and Cabelas.. Especially for not jumping on the crazy shipping price train

Midway does not ship pistol calibers to NJ as far as I recall, correct?