What is the FL ( Loophole ) ??

What is the FL ( Loophole ) ??

 

That a resident of Philadelphia, PA can get a non-resident CWL from FL should the county, in its infinite wisdom, discourage or deny you from obtaining a resident LTCF from PA. I believe many Philly residents find it easier to get a non-resident permit from out of state instead of putting the time and money in to get a PA license. I believe this extreme resistance to issuing licenses is unique to Philly and not the Commonwealth in general.

im still confused, if it makes me sound stupid so be it ... but im going to ask again ....an nj resident (me) with a legally owned handgun can carry (ccw) and openly in pa without any troubles except philly ?

im still confused, if it makes me sound stupid so be it ... but im going to ask again ....an nj resident (me) with a legally owned handgun can carry (ccw) and openly in pa without any troubles except philly ?

 

I've done some research since my initial post. There is no pa law that explicitly outlaws "open carry" except to make it illegal at schools in motor vehicles and government buildings and parks. Concealed carry is done by permit only. That being said in reality today most police in pa would stop you and hassle you if not incorrectly arrest you for open carry. It's not common place except in rural areas and on private lands. So bottom line is I would recommend against it for someone out of state. What do you stand to gain from doing it... Nothing I can think of

What do you stand to gain from doing it... Nothing I can think of

 

If that is your opinion, it is the same for ever carrying, both openly or concealed, correct?

 

 

 

im still confused, if it makes me sound stupid so be it ... but im going to ask again ....an nj resident (me) with a legally owned handgun can carry (ccw) and openly in pa without any troubles except philly ?

 

The open carry of a loaded firearm is not regulated, except in Philadelphia, in which in order to carry openly you must possess a valid license.

 

The conceal carry of a firearm is only legal with a valid license, which applies to all of PA, and is a license to carry, and not a conceal carry license. That means it authorizes you to carry openly, or concealed, any where in the state (with certain restrictions, like court houses, and other places specifically prohibited).

 

So you, as a NJ resident, without a license to carry, can only carry openly, and cannot carry at all in Philadelphia. You cannot carry concealed.

I've done some research since my initial post. There is no pa law that explicitly outlaws "open carry" except to make it illegal at schools in motor vehicles and government buildings and parks. Concealed carry is done by permit only. That being said in reality today most police in pa would stop you and hassle you if not incorrectly arrest you for open carry. It's not common place except in rural areas and on private lands. So bottom line is I would recommend against it for someone out of state. What do you stand to gain from doing it... Nothing I can think of

I also gathered that from what I read but my primary purpose was the ability to carry my snubby with .357 rounds while out on the trail and around the cabin. I'm not anticipating parading through some little hamlet packing on the way to the grocery.

It's ok to "be" anywhere in PA with a handgun, with no permit at all, except Philly.

 

What about the "transportation" law? For example, my daughter is 21 and has a handgun in her trunk and drives to Doylestown,PA. Can she simply take the gun out of the trunk, strap it on and walk around? I thought that without a LTCF or a CCW from a reciprocating state, the law becomes the same as NJ?

 

I know if a NJ resident has a FL CCW they can have their firearm in plain view, loaded while in their vehicle, then open carry anywhere in PA with the exception of any city of the first class. But without any CCW/LTCF it's only to and from the range, no stops? Correct?

Once again.

 

Open carry is legal in PA without a license (except in Philly, where it is legal with a license).

 

When traveling between NJ and PA, interstate transportation rules apply. That would be FOPA, and NOT either NJ of PA state laws.

 

Take your guns. Have fun and be safe.

Once again.

 

Open carry is legal in PA without a license (except in Philly, where it is legal with a license).

 

When traveling between NJ and PA, interstate transportation rules apply. That would be FOPA, and NOT either NJ of PA state laws.

 

Take your guns. Have fun and be safe.

 

 

Yes that's right your honor... Bonesinium told me it was legal for me to do it, so i did it

Yes that's right your honor... Bonesinium told me it was legal for me to do it, so i did it

That might be a bit of a exaggeration....If it is solely a case where a LEO is just checking you and the OC firearm out it'll never get to a judge. Questioned perhaps but I don't believe it will go as far as an arraignment...unless of course you wish it to

Yes that's right your honor... Bonesinium told me it was legal for me to do it, so i did it

 

Do what you want. It is your choice to follow or not follow the applicable laws. I'd wager to guess you have never even bothered to look at what the applicable laws are. That is your prerogative. Coming from the guy who sees no reason why you should carry a firearm anyways, I don't even know why you are posting.

You will encounter some LEO harrassment but that's mostly when some idiot decides to call 911 and phone you in. They are trained on encountering civilians who open carry and the local police chiefs get a bulletin on it. Nothing to worry about.

 

Remember, this isn't Jersey.

 

www.marshalldennehey.com/media/pdf-articles/O%20240%20by%20C.%20Boyle%20(Winter.11).pdf

 

Do what you want. It is your choice to follow or not follow the applicable laws. I'd wager to guess you have never even bothered to look at what the applicable laws are. That is your prerogative. Coming from the guy who sees no reason why you should carry a firearm anyways, I don't even know why you are posting.

 

Listen, I was poking fun for your re quote of yourself as if you were so crystal clear and authoritative that your post and repost end the discussion. Don't get your panties in a bunch. I've now done a lot of research and the law is not a crystal clear as you want it to be. I see plenary of reason to carry and pray to be able to do it some day legally. I can't find any open invitation for an nj resident with no carry permit to bring his gun to pa, strap it on open and walk around no matter where it is. I think that is poor advice.

Nobody was giving advice. At least I wasn't. I was answering a question. You piped in that you can see no reason to carry a firearm. Whether you think it is a good idea or not has no bearing on whether it is legal or not.

 

 

18 USC § 926A Interstate transportation of firearms

 

Notwithstanding any other provision of any law or any rule or regulation of a State or any political subdivision thereof, any person who is not otherwise prohibited by this chapter from transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm shall be entitled to transport a firearm for any lawful purpose from any place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm to any other place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm if, during such transportation the firearm is unloaded, and neither the firearm nor any ammunition being transported is readily accessible or is directly accessible from the passenger compartment of such transporting vehicle: Provided, That in the case of a vehicle without a compartment separate from the driver’s compartment the firearm or ammunition shall be contained in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console.

 

 

18 USC § 921 DEFINITIONS

 

The term “interstate or foreign commerce” includes commerce between any place in a State and any place outside of that State.

Ok maybe I miss read or miss understood you. I read your quote of the law of open carry followed by "take your guns. Have fun be happy" and advice to open carry while in pa. In any case that is why I made my smart ass comment about telling that to the judge. Nuff said ill end it hear with an apology

http://www.opencarry.org/?page_id=292

 

 

Good info for those who can't do any research on their own.