May 10, 201313 yr No, not with bullets but with words I think he hit the nail on the head, the teacher should be passionate about educating and imparting knowledge to their students, not mailing it in with worksheets to pass some test. It's good to see a student actually be concerned about it, most of the kids in the class looked like they just wanted him to shut up and leave.
May 10, 201313 yr I applaud the student for the content of his message. It's however quite obvious that he's a product of an inner city school.
May 10, 201313 yr I applaud the student for the content of his message. It's however quite obvious that he's a product of an inner city school. Having been around long enough to see people like that and where they end up, I suspect he'll either be dead of an OD or be a reformed heroin addict before he hits 30. They are smart and creative, wind up in some big city "creative" enclave doing drugs and dying in a gutter.
May 10, 201313 yr ladies and gentleman. i give you the 48th freakin president of the united freakin states of freakin america.........................and now i will leave.....thank you (j/k)
May 10, 201313 yr All I know is, growing up, I would never...never...ever even think of talking to a teacher like that...in fears of getting my ass whooped by the time I got home. Wow, lol.
May 10, 201313 yr Having been around long enough to see people like that and where they end up, I suspect he'll either be dead of an OD or be a reformed heroin addict before he hits 30. They are smart and creative, wind up in some big city "creative" enclave doing drugs and dying in a gutter. Seriously you got all that from watching this video?
May 10, 201313 yr Seriously you got all that from watching this video? No, I got it from life experience. I knew/know kids who behaved like that, who dressed like that, who are smart and creative. Several are in the grave, one will be soon, a few made it out alive. You could have plopped them in that video at that time in their lives.
May 10, 201313 yr I never had to. Our teachers in Grammar and HS were passionate and cared. I know what that kid means and I'm sorry, but I applaud him. There are school systems with teachers that could care less and have hardly any compassion for the students, let alone there jobs. This is exactly why we have good and bad systems. I'm not saying there are not bad students... But I've had teachers that had ultimate goals of nothing more than just pushing students into failure anyway they could. I've seen teachers read just from text books, etc. When we had teachers like that, we drove them out. We banned together and told the school to either get us teachers that knew what the frack they were doing or give us our tuition back. Not every is cut out to be a teacher. Who knows how they get in. But the ones that slowly burn out on their own and loose the passion should fess up and move on. All some of them want is their tenure and once they get that, they tend to sit back... The kid sounded like he spoke for everyone in defense. If kids really wanted to learn instead of just grazing by, they'd speak up too. All I know is, growing up, I would never...never...ever even think of talking to a teacher like that...in fears of getting my ass whooped by the time I got home. Wow, lol. Sent from John's iPad 2 via Tapatalk HD Typos courtesy Apple...
May 10, 201313 yr Yea Mal, but that's not all of them and it's hard to say without knowing him. Seriously you got all that from watching this video? No, I got it from life experience. I knew/know kids who behaved like that, who dressed like that, who are smart and creative. Several are in the grave, one will be soon, a few made it out alive. You could have plopped them in that video at that time in their lives. Sent from John's iPad 2 via Tapatalk HD Typos courtesy Apple...
May 10, 201313 yr Why should she care? She has the union which protects her from ever being accountable for doing quality work.
May 10, 201313 yr I have to give that young man credit for standing up and telling it like it is. Most people don't like to hear the truth.
May 10, 201313 yr I never had to. Our teachers in Grammar and HS were passionate and cared. I know what that kid means and I'm sorry, but I applaud him. There are school systems with teachers that could care less and have hardly any compassion for the students, let alone there their jobs. This is exactly why we have good and bad systems. I'm not saying there are not bad students... But I've had teachers that had ultimate goals of nothing more than just pushing students into failure anyway they could. I've seen teachers read just from text books, etc. When we had teachers like that, we drove them out. We banned banded together and told the school to either get us teachers that knew what the frack they were doing or give us our tuition back. Not everyone is cut out to be a teacher. Who knows how they get in. But Tthe ones that slowly burn out on their own and loose lose the passion should fess up and move on. All some of them want is their tenure and once they get that, they tend to sit back... The kid sounded like he spoke for everyone in defense. If kids really wanted to learn instead of just grazing by, they'd speak up too. Sent from John's iPad 2 via Tapatalk HD Typos courtesy Apple...
May 10, 201313 yr Having been around long enough to see people like that and where they end up, I suspect he'll either be dead of an OD or be a reformed heroin addict before he hits 30. They are smart and creative, wind up in some big city "creative" enclave doing drugs and dying in a gutter.talk about stereotyping! I was once a kid somewhat like that kid and I am sure people like you said similar comments about me but I never had an OD or even did heroin. You can't judge a book by its cover you know!
May 10, 201313 yr No, I got it from life experience. I knew/know kids who behaved like that, who dressed like that, who are smart and creative. Several are in the grave, one will be soon, a few made it out alive. You could have plopped them in that video at that time in their lives. Your life experience tells you that kids who cares about education end up as dead beat drug addicts? I feel sorry for your life experience then. My life experience has shown the exact opposite. I have never once met someone who possessed both the traits of caring and wanting to learn, as well as being a waste of live in general.
May 11, 201313 yr Your life experience tells you that kids who cares about education end up as dead beat drug addicts? I feel sorry for your life experience then. My life experience has shown the exact opposite. I have never once met someone who possessed both the traits of caring and wanting to learn, as well as being a waste of live in general. It's not the caring about education. It's the hair, the dress, the shoes, the mannerisms...they all scream "artist type". School has failed this individual and he's learning despite it. It's not that he's a waste, it's that in a few years he'll start running with waste-oids. He'll spend his time flitting between low end jobs while he works on his "art" whatever it might be and he'll get sucked into a drug culture. My wife's best friend's niece is 30 now and was a 4.0 student. She got sucked into the pseudo hippie, patchouli culture while she went to the fashion college in Manhattan. It starts with the goofy shoes, then the bleached hair, then the nose rings and tats...and not much later the half a dozen times in rehabs after ODs and finally liver failure that will kill her soon enough. I grew up with a number of the same types that I went to college with, 1 didn't even make it out of college...dead at 19. Another I heard died a year out of college. There were others, friends and friends of friends and finally now kids of friends. It's a culture that he's aimed at and I hope he makes it...I don't hold out much hope. It's not his want for education that will kill him. It's who's going to encourage and approve of him once he's out of school.
May 11, 201313 yr It's not the caring about education. It's the hair, the dress, the shoes, the mannerisms...they all scream "artist type". Ok, it is much different then I thought. And far worse. Fishnut and Clint Eastwood were right. That is some serious stereotyping. Like hardcore. I'd like to see a photo of yourself, that way I can ignore anything you have ever posted and judge and stereotype you on your appearance.
May 11, 201313 yr I can ignore anything you have ever posted and judge and stereotype you on your appearance. Just go into your ignore preferences and save yourself the trouble.
May 11, 201313 yr You feel it's wrong for people to want good education? Not knowing the whole story, unlike others, I did not judge the story by the way he looked. I grew up with people that looked like him that were law abiding geniuses... I also were among bad teachers. It can't be more simpler than that. For once you see a kid biotching about poor teaching instead of a lazy parent which should be and you facepalm it? Oooook then... Case closed. I never had to. Our teachers in Grammar and HS were passionate and cared. I know what that kid means and I'm sorry, but I applaud him. There are school systems with teachers that could care less and have hardly any compassion for the students, let alone there their jobs. This is exactly why we have good and bad systems. I'm not saying there are not bad students... But I've had teachers that had ultimate goals of nothing more than just pushing students into failure anyway they could. I've seen teachers read just from text books, etc. When we had teachers like that, we drove them out. We banned banded together and told the school to either get us teachers that knew what the frack they were doing or give us our tuition back. Not everyone is cut out to be a teacher. Who knows how they get in. But Tthe ones that slowly burn out on their own and loose lose the passion should fess up and move on. All some of them want is their tenure and once they get that, they tend to sit back... The kid sounded like he spoke for everyone in defense. If kids really wanted to learn instead of just grazing by, they'd speak up too. Sent from John's iPad 2 via Tapatalk HD Typos courtesy Apple... Sent from John's iPad 2 via Tapatalk HD Typos courtesy Apple...
May 11, 201313 yr This kid is excellent. He's got a lot of balls, but he's 100% completely right. He really stuck it to that teacher. We should be proud of him, as this countyr's educational system has gone to crap - "busy" work, standardized tests, and collecting paychecks.EDIT: You all should watch the video of him being interviewed by the local news. He's alright.
May 11, 201313 yr Just go into your ignore preferences and save yourself the trouble. I wouldn't be able to make ridiculous and absurd stereotypes that way.
May 11, 201313 yr It's not the caring about education. It's the hair, the dress, the shoes, the mannerisms...they all scream "artist type". School has failed this individual and he's learning despite it. It's not that he's a waste, it's that in a few years he'll start running with waste-oids. He'll spend his time flitting between low end jobs while he works on his "art" whatever it might be and he'll get sucked into a drug culture. My wife's best friend's niece is 30 now and was a 4.0 student. She got sucked into the pseudo hippie, patchouli culture while she went to the fashion college in Manhattan. It starts with the goofy shoes, then the bleached hair, then the nose rings and tats...and not much later the half a dozen times in rehabs after ODs and finally liver failure that will kill her soon enough. I grew up with a number of the same types that I went to college with, 1 didn't even make it out of college...dead at 19. Another I heard died a year out of college. There were others, friends and friends of friends and finally now kids of friends. It's a culture that he's aimed at and I hope he makes it...I don't hold out much hope. It's not his want for education that will kill him. It's who's going to encourage and approve of him once he's out of school. you got all that from long hair and red shoes? I have long hair. Hell, back in high school when it was still short I dyed it blue. Tell me what my future holds oh wise and powerful ms cleo. Anyway, prejudice aside yes this Jeff kid is right, but I'm not so sure stomping his feet on the way out was the right way to go about telling his teacher how he feels. On the other hand it did get him noticed, I don't think most principals would have been too open to discussion on the subject, but it's hard to ignore now that it blew up so big. If this relentless attack on the second amendment has taught me anything it's that even though emotion SHOULDN'T have any place in a logical discussion, the facts and hard proof that such a discussion should be made of are often drowned out by crying screaming and stomping feet.
May 11, 201313 yr Good for him once again. They call this an outburst, then they have never seen me pist. I think he spoke his mind in a collective and passionate way. I look forward to the outcome. Interview link for you troglodytes:
May 11, 201313 yr I find it interesting that even the teachers on here haven't realized what occurred prior to this young man "standing up so courageously and walking out of the classroom while delivering his (albeit accurate) educational system rant/diatribe/manifesto... He was already being ejected from the class!! It's not that long ago that I recall similar incidents. Kids don't just get up and are allowed to walk out of class while delivering a diatribe... Please people, consider that just because you saw 3 minutes on youtube, it doesn't mean that the kid is "right". Hell, I could take 3 minutes of half of the democratic senators in NJ and make them sound intelligent, it doesn't mean that because they're right on one point that they've got "insight". Is he correct on the fact that she was just mailing it in? I would guess, without having sat through one of those classes, that he might be correct. However the lack of interest of the other students in the class in his antics, the lack of class support of his words and message, indicates that this individual is likely a routine disruption. Just my awfully jaded interpretation.
May 11, 201313 yr you got all that from long hair and red shoes? I have long hair. Hell, back in high school when it was still short I dyed it blue. Tell me what my future holds oh wise and powerful ms cleo. Actually, I think there's a societal problem - it's indicated in this particularly interesting article sent to me by a coworker earlier this week: http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/2013-05-08/what-do-u-s-college-graduates-lack-professionalism.html It's not just professionalism, it's respect, work ethic, dress code, and common courtesy. Heh. Make your own informed opinion.
May 11, 201313 yr Why should she care? She has the union which protects her from ever being accountable for doing quality work. So true. There was a time when Union was quality work.
May 11, 201313 yr It's not the caring about education. It's the hair, the dress, the shoes, the mannerisms...they all scream "artist type". School has failed this individual and he's learning despite it. It's not that he's a waste, it's that in a few years he'll start running with waste-oids. He'll spend his time flitting between low end jobs while he works on his "art" whatever it might be and he'll get sucked into a drug culture. My wife's best friend's niece is 30 now and was a 4.0 student. She got sucked into the pseudo hippie, patchouli culture while she went to the fashion college in Manhattan. It starts with the goofy shoes, then the bleached hair, then the nose rings and tats...and not much later the half a dozen times in rehabs after ODs and finally liver failure that will kill her soon enough. I grew up with a number of the same types that I went to college with, 1 didn't even make it out of college...dead at 19. Another I heard died a year out of college. There were others, friends and friends of friends and finally now kids of friends. It's a culture that he's aimed at and I hope he makes it...I don't hold out much hope. It's not his want for education that will kill him. It's who's going to encourage and approve of him once he's out of school. You sound like an old fart that still has his close mindedness from the 60's. But maybe you are, so who knows. Just because someone may dress differently than others, have a nose ring, tat's, or whatever it is, doesn't mean that they are going to grow up to be some low-life drug addict. Some kids will end up like that, some kid's won't. And that can be anyone that ending up with a drug habit or not applying themselves as much as they should be able to, it could even be the all-around jock kid in high school that had a scholarship to a top 10 football college and blew it because he got caught up in drugs. Pertaining to high school most importantly, as this is what it seems to be, a lot of high schoolers tend to do what they want to do. Hell, I remember in high school I went through like 3 different stages of music and whatever else. I had a mohawk at one point and tried rebelling against teachers. Then I grew up after graduating HS and those stages were left in the dust. I graduated college with a great GPA and now work a job I enjoy and enjoy my hobbies, like shooting. So to sit there and stereotype kids that are different, is well, kind of sad in my opinion.
May 11, 201313 yr I find it interesting that even the teachers on here haven't realized what occurred prior to this young man "standing up so courageously and walking out of the classroom while delivering his (albeit accurate) educational system rant/diatribe/manifesto... He was already being ejected from the class!! It's not that long ago that I recall similar incidents. Kids don't just get up and are allowed to walk out of class while delivering a diatribe... Please people, consider that just because you saw 3 minutes on youtube, it doesn't mean that the kid is "right". Hell, I could take 3 minutes of half of the democratic senators in NJ and make them sound intelligent, it doesn't mean that because they're right on one point that they've got "insight". Is he correct on the fact that she was just mailing it in? I would guess, without having sat through one of those classes, that he might be correct. However the lack of interest of the other students in the class in his antics, the lack of class support of his words and message, indicates that this individual is likely a routine disruption. Just my awfully jaded interpretation. Well at least one student agreed enough to film it, and say that he agrees. That is right in the video. And also there is, you know, the point he was making. I'm not sure you listened to what he said. He said kids weren't interested because she was just handing them packets, and she needs to make them interested. So it shouldn't be any surprise that they didn't seem interested, duh! If his comment that she said 'it is just a paycheck' is accurate, then it would seem to substantiate the rest of what he said. And there was her attitude the whole time. Did that sound like a teacher that cared? The reports are he was kicked out of class originally for saying pretty much the same thing in the video. He asked questions about why she was just handing them packets and not teaching. She didn't like it. But that is just my view.
May 11, 201313 yr I listened to what he said and how he said it in his obvious inner city language. I'm disappointed that these kids who are so interested in learning can't learn to speak properly. That said, his message is quite accurate - there are plenty of "teachers" who are just mailing it in.
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