Hyundai Elantra

Really good car. We have a 2010 as a spare car and love it.

Ok so we went with the Ford. We went and she test drove both the Ford and the Mazda and decided not to even bother with the Kia. She liked the Ford the best and they came back with the best deal and then I knocked them down even more. Ended up getting the SE sedan for $3000 down and $149 a month for 36 months. I think we did pretty good and she is happy. Happy wife happy life! 

 

sorry man.......

I am sorry too. I was dealing with the pushy sales man at the Mazda dealer just before I read your post and took it out on you a bit, my bad.

My "shit" is now at 95k miles with zero problems and its a first model year car.

Accord

Ford, look at cert preowned save a few grand like new

Lease? The last time I asked my accountant about leasing a car, he looked at me like I had suddenly grown a pair of antlers.

 

Leasing is the new buying. Financially speaking, it's smarter to do it this way. I leased my Dart because the interest on that was 0%, and allows me to drive down the principle cost by the end of the lease, and then finance the residual value for what would have been the remaining term of the original loan. Save a lot of money there.

 

Forget the Kia, it's shit -- no offense to our allies in the upcoming Korean war.

 

Kia is far from shit. They are an excellent car now, as is Hyundai. They dumped millions upon millions into their R&D and assembly equipment.

Correct. You can often get a better deal leasing even if you plan on buying it back at the end. Unfortunately. . Your accountant should look at the numbers before blindly and stupidly rejecting an idea.

 

Secondly, for business owners, leasing is often th3 way to go for various reasons, if you need max writeoffs, e5c.

 

We lease one , bought another.

 

When manufacturers artificially jack up the residual rates, stupid not to lease.

 

Japanese car brands, cause well.... they are made in America anyway now.... are great to lease.... ie honda accord, toyota....along with vw cars like passat. I saw a new passat d3al, 210 a month, 0 out of pocket. Because of incentives and low rates.

Kia is far from shit. They are an excellent car now, as is Hyundai. They dumped millions upon millions into their R&D and assembly equipment.

 

I'm talking about value and performance of the Kia Rio, particularly compared to the other 2.  Other Kia models may be great.  The Rio is not one of them.  The Ford Focus and Mazda 3 platforms are light years ahead.  Dumping millions upon millions into something does not indicate excellence.

Leasing is the new buying.

 

True, but...

 

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/2012/12/buying-vs-leasing-basics/index.htm

 

See the last CR section: "Does it make sense to lease?"

 

I realize it's very popular. I also realize that leasing might make sense for someone who has a business (I do) and can deduct the lease cost (I can't). When I purchased my BMW, I was left with the feeling that the dealer was struggling with an unfamiliar procedure, and didn't do it too often.  I've purchased several Honda products over the years, and the dealers had absolutely no problem with the paperwork for an actual sale.

 

 

Kia is far from shit. They are an excellent car now, as is Hyundai. They dumped millions upon millions into their R&D and assembly equipment.

 

 

I'm talking about value and performance of the Kia Rio, particularly compared to the other 2. Other Kia models may be great. The Rio is not one of them. The Ford Focus and Mazda 3 platforms are light years ahead. Dumping millions upon millions into something does not indicate excellence.

 

It does indicate commitment to improvements and excelling though. That was done almost 10yrs ago if I remember correctly. As a technician, that was when I saw the engineering differences and sharp decrease in repairs and saying "wtf were they thinking here!?" while working on them. So as a whole, it did make a large difference in their quality. Agreed the Rio is their economy model, but I don't think Kia gets enough credit for what they've become. Certainly not "shit"

 

 

Leasing is the new buying.

 

 

True, but...

 

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/2012/12/buying-vs-leasing-basics/index.htm

 

See the last CR section: "Does it make sense to lease?"

 

I realize it's very popular. I also realize that leasing might make sense for someone who has a business (I do) and can deduct the lease cost (I can't). When I purchased my BMW, I was left with the feeling that the dealer was struggling with an unfamiliar procedure, and didn't do it too often. I've purchased several Honda products over the years, and the dealers had absolutely no problem with the paperwork for an actual sale.

I've never heard the idea that a BMW dealer would be unfamiliar with leasing. 90% of the people I've met with BMW's lease them. As for the level of intelligence of someone that would willingly buy a BMW, well....I'll leave that one alone.

I like to keep cars for at least 10 years, so long-term reliability is a major consideration.

 

It does indicate commitment to improvements and excelling though. That was done almost 10yrs ago if I remember correctly. As a technician, that was when I saw the engineering differences and sharp decrease in repairs and saying "wtf were they thinking here!?" while working on them. So as a whole, it did make a large difference in their quality. Agreed the Rio is their economy model, but I don't think Kia gets enough credit for what they've become. Certainly not "shit"

 

Fair enough but I didn't say Kia was shit.  I said the Kia was shit, referring to the Kia Rio model in the OP.

 

My track car is Japanese (and made in Japan) so don't get the wrong idea, I'm not here thumping my chest chanting "U. S. A. U. S. A."

I've never heard the idea that a BMW dealer would be unfamiliar with leasing. 90% of the people I've met with BMW's lease them. As for the level of intelligence of someone that would willingly buy a BMW, well....I'll leave that one alone.

 

No, the BMW dealer didn't know how to sell me one! I'm sure I could have leased one with no problems. The idiots mailed me the title, and made me come in to the dealership for the plates. They both arrived from DMV in the same envelope. Idiots. This is my last BMW but not because of that, because of the (lack of) reliability. (That, and the lack of a stick shift on any current model I'd consider.)

Hyundai Sonata

I like to keep cars for at least 10 years, so long-term reliability is a major consideration.

 

 

 

I disagree with almost everything in this graph. It's very much slanted, and where it isn't, is just opposite of reality. I personally don't like consumer reports. I've found that a large majority of what they say in the automotive market is historically incorrect. They marked the Terrain as the best model, where to any tech that works on them would easily call them the worst. They will probably discontinue that model in the next couple years because of its failures. The leaf us a brand new model utilizing brand new technology. How can they mark it as the best when it's basically untested? The volt is the best and corvette is worst? Lots of problems there. The biggest problem with the graph is generalizing Ford being largely unreliable, when they have been ranked as one of the most reliable manufacturers out there. They were one of the only companies to NOT be part of the bailout, and also show a very good profit. These are just the things that I notice, and personally see being in the field every day. I understand what you're saying, but just expressing my side also because I get to see the reality of it all on a daily basis.

I too hate consumer reports. On occasion they push info that seems confusing at best and damn stupid at worst.

 

They have been sued numerous times and they have a holier than thou arrogance. They know best at all times. Like Bloomberg.

I agree..... Consumer Reports is useless......   You think our politicians are bought....lol , they are worse.