With a lot of todays thugs using the leave no witnesses mentality, he was very lucky. His situational awareness sucked. I had the misfortune of having to spend time in newark. During that time I was on high alert. Leaving several car lengths between me and any stopped car. Someone gets to close and I was gone red light or no.

That works until they see you doing that and then decide start having both cars behind you. When you stop one car comes up and diagonally cuts you off while the second pulls up to your rear bumper. You need to go to plan B then.

 

I worked out of Newark for over 20 years in a LE job. Back in the late 80s we were having about one (unmarked) car being stolen a month for about 4-6 months. These (I believe) were done for spite as they were usually later found burned out. Sometimes they'll only take what they need. We had the front bumper and grill stolen off the front end of a Crown Vic in broad daylight.

High end cars getting jacked and going right into containers in Port Newark.. They even know how to disable the satellite antenna so they cant be tracked..

4 cars boxed him in?

 

Think this could of been personal?

 

I thought your typical car jacking was a guy coming to your window with a gun?

 

This seems like a mob hit.

That works until they see you doing that and then decide start having both cars behind you. When you stop one car comes up and diagonally cuts you off while the second pulls up to your rear bumper. You need to go to plan B then.

 

I worked out of Newark for over 20 years in a LE job. Back in the late 80s we were having about one (unmarked) car being stolen a month for about 4-6 months. These (I believe) were done for spite as they were usually later found burned out. Sometimes they'll only take what they need. We had the front bumper and grill stolen off the front end of a Crown Vic in broad daylight.

Hey Griz did you ever hear of ronnie's bad girls (bar ) 

I see what you did there.

 

Like this?

Hey Griz did you ever hear of ronnie's bad girls (bar )

 

No, should I have?

No, should I have?

Yup.  The owner was a retired Leo

Yup.  The owner was a retired Leo

I was never an afficinado of strip bars, if that's what it is.

 

I also had a government car all the time. Going to any bar with it after work would constitute misuse of a government vehicle which would get me a 30 day unpaid vacation.

It's not just a car, it's a Porsche, there is no substitute.

thank GOD for that.

Some folks here should be pretty pumped by this..after all they always bitch and moan that cops can carry..i guess the only downside for them is that he survived.

Some folks here should be pretty pumped by this..after all they always bitch and moan that cops can carry..i guess the only downside for them is that he survived.

 

I don't think it is anything to be excited about. It is not that LEO can carry, but rather that regular citizen's can't.  Honestly, I wish he did have a gun so there would be 4 less dirt bags in Newark.

Some folks here should be pretty pumped by this..after all they always bitch and moan that cops can carry..i guess the only downside for them is that he survived.

 

No..now its time for all the keyboard badasses to tell us how they would have done it so much better had they been allowed to carry. Stopped the crime, saved the day, had the perps arrested, and were the idealogical ccw story for all to use as a basis for ccw.

No..now its time for all the keyboard badasses to tell us how they would have done it so much better had they been allowed to carry. Stopped the crime, saved the day, had the perps arrested, and were the idealogical ccw story for all to use as a basis for ccw.

If I was the cop, I wouldn't have waited as long to put down that donut unless it was the Bavarian cream filled kind -- damn things are addictive. Anyways, as soon as the carjacker proceeded to gain entry into my vehicle, I would have lifted my leg towards the perp's chest holding him back thus allowing my Glock to accidentally discharge at him as I remove it from my Serpa holster.

 

Certainly sounds plausible behind a keyboard.

No..now its time for all the keyboard badasses to tell us how they would have done it so much better had they been allowed to carry. Stopped the crime, saved the day, had the perps arrested, and were the idealogical ccw story for all to use as a basis for ccw.

its quite easy.. They would do the Keanu Reeves Matrix sideways dive while drawing two Desert Eagle .50's from shoulder holsters and taking out all 4 perps and making sure the rounds didnt hit anything except the perps..and not worrying about facing a friendly Essex County grand jury

If I was the cop, I wouldn't have waited as long to put down that donut unless it was the Bavarian cream filled kind -- damn things are addictive. Anyways, as soon as the carjacker proceeded to gain entry into my vehicle, I would have lifted my leg towards the perp's chest holding him back thus allowing my Glock to accidentally discharge at him as I remove it from my Serpa holster.

 

Hmmm, certainly sounds plausible behind a keyboard.

 

Nah, if I was a cop, I would of grabbed the MP5 in the back

 

Wait, wrong Bad Boys movie...

 

 

No..now its time for all the keyboard badasses to tell us how they would have done it so much better had they been allowed to carry. Stopped the crime, saved the day, had the perps arrested, and were the idealogical ccw story for all to use as a basis for ccw.

Don't know about all that, but I would have been happy to shoot one or two in the back on the way out...

 

 

Speaking of Bad Boys, it is avail on Amazon Prime for free.

No..now its time for all the keyboard badasses to tell us how they would have done it so much better

 

I would have peed my pants and screamed like a little girl. Then stopped for ice cream on the walk home.

That porsche would have had alot of dents in it...

And Hey if you pissed the seat maybe they would have left it..

That porsche would have had alot of dents in it...

And Hey if you pissed the seat maybe they would have left it..

 

I like where you're going with this..

 

If you're getting carjacked it's best to shit your pants and piss yourself so they won't want to enter the vehicle

Martin Lawrence was arrested for running around LA in broad daylight wearing nothing but socks and a Glock and barking at people.

 

It turns out he was "dehydrated."

I would have peed my pants and screamed like a little girl. Then stopped for ice cream on the walk home.

That's funny.

 

4 on 1? I would have done the same and bought you your ice cream.

 

Those odds are untenable at best. Carrying or not, just let them have the car. If it turned into something more than a car jacking, fight, because you have nothing left to lose.

High end cars getting jacked and going right into containers in Port Newark.. They even know how to disable the satellite antenna so they cant be tracked..

JRFLY3006 you hit the nail on the head. Last month I heard a story of 2 guys carjacking a Porsche 911 turbo in Newark. They caught one of them because he could not drive a stick.

http://www.nj.com/essex/index.ssf/2013/04/newark_man_sentenced_to_55_mon.html 

High end cars getting jacked and going right into containers in Port Newark.. They even know how to disable the satellite antenna so they cant be tracked..

typically they pull the cars right in to the containers which are lined with sheets of lead. Lo-jack can not be transmitted through it and bam off to its new home.

4 cars boxed him in?

 

Think this could of been personal?

 

I thought your typical car jacking was a guy coming to your window with a gun?

 

This seems like a mob hit.

 

It's as easy as driving down a one lane road with cars parked on both sides. One in front pulls out to block you then before you can back up another pulls up behind.

 

Also it happens on bigger roads with a lot of traffic... they position themselves on all sides then carjack you and you have nowhere to run.

 

This is why when at all possible I drive my truck if I have to go to bad parts of town. My Miata is not pushing anything out of the way but if I pop the truck in 4x4 and let her eat the bad guys better hope they get out in time.

typically they pull the cars right in to the containers which are lined with sheets of lead. Lo-jack can not be transmitted through it and bam off to its new home.

does not need to be lead. Copper screening works just fine. A shipping container lined with lead would weigh way too much

JRFLY3006 you hit the nail on the head. Last month I heard a story of 2 guys carjacking a Porsche 911 turbo in Newark. They caught one of them because he could not drive a stick.

http://www.nj.com/essex/index.ssf/2013/04/newark_man_sentenced_to_55_mon.html

 

There's more to this. Why was he tried in Federal court?

JRFLY3006 you hit the nail on the head. Last month I heard a story of 2 guys carjacking a Porsche 911 turbo in Newark. They caught one of them because he could not drive a stick.

http://www.nj.com/essex/index.ssf/2013/04/newark_man_sentenced_to_55_mon.html

 

 

There's more to this. Why was he tried in Federal court?

Essex county prosecutors has a program called triggerlock. Takes gun cases from local to federal in order for criminals to face harsher penalties. I had a gun collar go this route a couple years ago. Penalties are still a joke. 3 time convicted felon armed with a loaded handgun in a very public place. Flees and fight with cops..injuring two..one severely and 70 months federal time with probation on the end. This is the problem

Essex county prosecutors has a program called triggerlock. Takes gun cases from local to federal in order for criminals to face harsher penalties. I had a gun collar go this route a couple years ago. Penalties are still a joke. 3 time convicted felon armed with a loaded handgun in a very public place. Flees and fight with cops..injuring two..one severely and 70 months federal time with probation on the end. This is the problem

Interesting. I retired in 2005 and then in the Federal system there was no parole. If you got 70 months you did 70 months. Maybe the last 6 in a halfway house but you were still "in".

He will do the full 70 months. It should be longer based on what his history was.