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ok guys, i'm a bit lost in this thread. i just signed up for an urban carbine class at GFH next month and need a rig to hold my gear. i'm interested in a plate carrier as i see that as less weight for multipurpose role, shtf and training with one rig. however i'm not looking to spend a ton of money. does the one ataimwolswol has have slots for plates or is it just soft armor? does it come in solid colors or just in acu? and for christ sakes what is with all these acronyms? i just the basic vest and mag pouches for the class and can build it up over time.

ok guys, i'm a bit lost in this thread. i just signed up for an urban carbine class at GFH next month and need a rig to hold my gear. i'm interested in a plate carrier as i see that as less weight for multipurpose role, shtf and training with one rig. however i'm not looking to spend a ton of money. does the one ataimwolswol has have slots for plates or is it just soft armor? does it come in solid colors or just in acu? and for christ sakes what is with all these acronyms? i just the basic vest and mag pouches for the class and can build it up over time.

 

I would go for a chest rig for the carbine class more like what sgt toadette has.  If you get a plate carrier, you are committing to spending several hundred dollars in plates, pouches, etc to run it how it is meant to be used.  The chest rig is simple, lightweight, and effective in carrying multiple mags and pouches. 

 

I don't think the vest ataimwolswol has accepts hard plates but ive never seen it up close.  You can find many manufactures in many colors but his looks like it may be milsurp.  

 

What acronyms are throwing you off?

How much gear we talking? What are the class requirements?

 

A PC without plates is a terrible way to carry equipment. Think of it as sewing pouches to one side of a pillowcase and then not putting the pillow in there. Your stuff will flop all over the place. Uncomfortable, hard to grab gear that is never in the same place, and it looks retarded/mall ninja-ish

 

Lowslowmiata has an armored vest not a plate carrier. It does accept plates as well.

 

Your best bet sounds like a plain chest rig, no PC or armor component, but without knowing what you intend/need to carry.... Who knows.

 

Set up a 1st and 2nd line kit. For instance...

 

1st line

belt with the following:

- pistol mags

- one long gun mag for emergency reload

- dump pouch (optional)

- Med kit/blowout kit/bleeder

- holster

 

2nd line

chest rig with the following:

- rifle mags

- flashlight

- tourniquet

- utility pouch with admin goodies (sharpie marker, gun lube, batteries, Multitool, etc)

 

Think of it as a system. For example - As you empty your emergency reload pouch on your 1st line, backfill it with a mag from your second line. If you are doing a tac load/reload with retention vs a speed load grab a fresh mag from your chest, leaving the emergency reload pouch for emergencies.

 

Let the "mission" drive the gear train.

well the class requirements are just to have mag pouches. i believe it said 3 mags required. and i dont really want to buy 2 or 3 different rigs that all fill somewhat the same role (carrying gear) . buy once cry once. i dont mind spending the money if what i get is good stuff but id like to keep this under $500 or so to start (vest and mag pouches) and i can add more pockets and med kit etc. as i go along. my end goal is to have an effective means of protection in case i ever need it that also carries my gear. i sure as hell hope i dont but you never know. so lowslow's armored vest will accept those ar500 steel plates? if thats the case then thats probably the route im looking to go down.

 

 

I have to agree with HE here. A plate carrier probably isn't the most feasible piece of equipment for your class. It's meant to stop rifle bullets. It will be heavy, bulky, and possibly very uncomfortable to wear for that class. This can lead to you fighting your gear instead of learning the skills.

 

To be completely honest, for a four hour class at gfh you will probably do fine with just a belt and some magazine pouches. I was very happy with the war belt I purchased. It could easily hold 3-4 mags and 1 in the gun. No need to rush and buy a PC without doing adequate research first. It may be tough for you to find everything you need to put it together, order it, get it in on time and stay in a reasonable budget.

 

Eta: to expand on what you said about different gear filling the same role, a chest rig, and plate carrier are similar only in that they can both have pouches attached to them. I wouldn't try to use them for the same purpose. In my eyes, the main role for a PC is to keep you alive if you get shot. A chest rig is made to be a relatively lightweight way to carry multiple mags and some small accessories. I'll pick the one that best fits my needs at that time.

 

I get wanting to train in gear you may need to use but in don't think you would benefit from the PC in a gfh class.

 

As Checko said, a PC and a CR do not really fill the exact same roles, the only overlap being carrying of ammo seperate from the belt line. If I was taking a 4 hour class and had to carry only 2 reloads, I would mount them on a well made gun belt (like an Ares Gear ranger belt) and call it good. Reading the course description, that's all you need - not even a pistol.

 

If you were required to wear armor for some reason for work, or it was a safety requirement for the class, I would say go for it, but you will likely be better served being comfortable and concentrating on the learning objectives than you would if you were wearing armor and being preoccupied with how much it sucks, how bad your back hurts, how the plates choke you out when in kneeling, and instead of absorbing the class material you catch yourself wondering how soon the class will end so you can take this torture device off.

 

Any good instructor should tell you the same - you should scale what your wearing to the course objectives, your experience level, and if this is learning, training, or practice (3 very important distinctions). The universal principle of Crawl > Walk > Run apply big time when considering firearms training.

Without reading thru everything my vest will accept any plates and is a military issue interceptor vest. It had the soft armor in it. Blake can hook you up with one in a variety of colors

Ah. I was mistaken on the vest.

HE what you said makes sense. basically get a good belt and enough mag holders for the class cuz then i have a good belt for later as well. what do you suggest for putting the mags in that would mount on the belt that i could move later? this is just the first of what i hope is many classes. im the type of guy that like to have more then i need so i dont have to go buy more stuff in a rush when the time comes.

You can get kydex mag holders if your going to wear just a riggers or ranger belt.  Or you can use any standard molle pouches if you get a belt like this

 

what kind of belt is that? where can i get it and where can i get the molle pouches? im just assuming the molle one will be able to transfer over once i get a vest?

That's just a pic I found.

 

Mine is a couple pages back I got from ats tactical and got the pouches from tactical tailor. Look on arfcom equipment exchange for some stuff

PB, If I was taking this class I would get a belt that works as a regular pants belt that is designed to carry the weight of a gun and reloads.

 

I would start with a Ares Gear Ranger Belt 1.5"

I would add:

2 Pistol mag pouches

2 M4 pouches

* I like open top Kydex magazine pouches, like those made by Raven or Comptac for this purpose *

And your pistol holster

As optional enhancements I would maybe add a roll up dump pouch like the Maxpedition RolyPoly or BFG HW Dump Pouch and a small bleeder kit (TQ, Oales Bandage, Kerlic Gauze)

 

The pouches required for a low-profile setup will most likely not be usable with a warbelt setup.

 

The Warbelt as pictured above is going to be overkill for the class you signed up for as described. It has a place, but the above described setup has a place as well and you will likely want both.

 

In a SHTF scenario do you want to be the guy with the Warbelt that everyone can ID or the guy with the button up baseball jersey or long shirt covering all that stuff up and moving around without drawing attention?

Here's my vest with my benelli that I can't stop whoring out

hey HE, what do you think about the TACO pouches with the moduloader frames from raven?

 

frames

http://www.ravenconcealment.com/modular-carriers/ammo-carriers/moduloader-frames-ammo-carriers/moduloader-frames-modular-base

 

pouches

http://www.ravenconcealment.com/modular-carriers/ammo-carriers/hsgi-taco-pouches/hsgi-rifle-taco

Funny you should bring them up. I just started swapping out some Eagle FB pouches for more Tacos after a few month testing period. I am very pleased and they work great on my Warbelt. I still like Kydex for low pro/pants belt kit, especially for gear being worn in front of your hips and across your front - from 10 o'clock to 2 o'clock - as the tops of the Tacos are pointy plastic and can dig in a bit, but other than that Taco pouches are pure awesome sauce!

i dont think i will ever wear gear between 10 and 2 on a belt. i find it uncomfortable. i think im going to go with the ares gear ranger and the taco with the frame setup. i can always move the taco pouches to another rig at a later date if i decide they are too bulky on the waist.

Pretty much finished with my plate carrier (except for the plates oddly enough lol)

 

Here's a break down:

 

T.A.G. Releasable plate carrier

Tactical Tailor escape and evasion pouch.  (will be used as my admin pouch to hold chemlights and other misc supplies

TT m4 pouches x 5

Blue Force Gear TQ NOW with CAT TQ

 

On the back I have a 3L hydration bladder in a T.A.G. molle hydration carrier and a Diamondback Tactical utility pouch. 

 

I'd say I put this all together for around $200

 

Damn nice set-up, especially for about $200. My chest rig is still a work in progress and I'm already over the $200 mark...lol.

Thanks man. I just know where to look. TT has ACU stuff 30% off and most of the other stuff like the plate carrier I got used. Most people don't really put this stuff to hard use so its in good condition. The PC was $125 barely used. It retailed at one time for 300+

 

Pretty much finished with my plate carrier (except for the plates oddly enough lol)

 

Here's a break down:

 

T.A.G. Releasable plate carrier

Tactical Tailor escape and evasion pouch.  (will be used as my admin pouch to hold chemlights and other misc supplies

TT m4 pouches x 5

Blue Force Gear TQ NOW with CAT TQ

 

On the back I have a 3L hydration bladder in a T.A.G. molle hydration carrier and a Diamondback Tactical utility pouch. 

 

I'd say I put this all together for around $200

 

 

 

with that bib in place you are probably having those AR mags riding pretty low.. like on your stomach.. which will make mag changes while prone a pain in the ass.. I used to have it setup exactly like that... but pulled the bib so the mags would ride higher.. like closer to my chest.. 

Ill keep that in mind when I get the plates in and start moving with it.

So I finally bit the bullet and ordered some armor. Went for some level iv ceramic from highcom security. Got a pair of 4SAS-7 multi curve 10x12 shooters cut. If you sign up for their newsletter letter you get 25% off of your first purchase. Came out to $250 shipped.

question on belts..........i've seen the Ares Gear Ranger Belt 1.5" mentioned a few times. i've been told that the 511 belts are good too........what's the general opinion on the 511's?

The 5.11 biothane belts stretch a bit and I don't like them. Their webbing belts aren't as stiff as the Ares.

 

If you want one, I may have a couple small or medium around I could sell cheap...

I got my belt setup at ats tactical. I like their stuff

 

http://www.atstacticalgear.com/cgi/commerce.cgi?search=action&category=BAS0

The 5.11 biothane belts stretch a bit and I don't like them. Their webbing belts aren't as stiff as the Ares.

 

If you want one, I may have a couple small or medium around I could sell cheap...

for something to start with, i might be interested....and since i'm a skinny sob.......small or medium, might work, lolol. i wear 32" waist.......

 

 and thanks!

Lemme dig it out. If I don't send you a PM in a day or two, ping me. I have had the short term memory of a fruit fly on crack lately....

fyi I found someone (private seller) selling curved 10x12 steel plates for $100   PM me if anyone wants the info