So I am sitting since February on my initial FID/P2P.  I understand it takes a while and blah blah blah.  I dropped off more paperwork to the PD today and spoke with the chief.  He said he had to bounce some things off the prosecutor and then contact my job again and we should finish this week.  I am stoked to hear I should be getting it this week but... initially when I started calling back in April (about 3 months into the process) they said it was my job that was holding things up by not returning phone calls....(I work in a prison.... we DO NOT close, there is ALWAYS someone here to answer the phone!)  I got the line of "your employer is holding things up for you" for a while, and now they have to check with my employer again because they have to make sure there are no "additional requirements" which I am guessing is concerning LEOSA and me qualifying on firearms annualy... BUT I do not see how this effects my FID/P2P...i have not and will not apply for a CCW (mainly because the chief said he won't sign it)but my employment should not play a part in any of this...

 

Thoughts?

I don't remember ever having to give employer information or having my PD contact them for the FID or and P2P I applied for.  I was actually unemployed once when I applied for a p2p and there were no issues.  I think they're just looking for excuses.

section 12 & 13 ask for employer name address and phone number as well as occupation

section 12 & 13 ask for employer name address and phone number as well as occupation

 

Again, I don't remember specific details as this was a few years ago but I was unemployed when I applied for and got 3 P2P's. I could be wrong (it has happened) but I think they're just looking for excuses.  

 

What town is this?

They have never contacted my employer. Your occupation is printed on the permit. I have no clue why though. My wife's permit says "social worker" she might be the only conservative social worker in the world.

 

What town is this?

 

Will mention all specifics when FID/P2P are in hand.... just in case ya know

Again, I don't remember specific details as this was a few years ago but I was unemployed when I applied for and got 3 P2P's. I could be wrong (it has happened) but I think they're just looking for excuses.  

 

What town is this?

I was unemployed when I got back into shooting 4 years ago and I put unemployed with no issues.

They have never contacted my employer. Your occupation is printed on the permit. I have no clue why though. My wife's permit says "social worker" she might be the only conservative social worker in the world.

see I was curious how many people's employers were actually contacted... I dont know if its different for me because I legally carry (currently a weapon I legally bought out of state prior to moving to NJ) under LEOSA...But  my thoughts are that they are just delaying me on purpose...

They have never contacted my employer. Your occupation is printed on the permit. I have no clue why though. My wife's permit says "social worker" she might be the only conservative social worker in the world.

 

 

Ummmm.... I'm looking at mine and I don't see it. Nor do I see it anywhere on my used P2P's

It definitely has nothing to do with LEOSA or qualifying annually. The town you live in has no control over your department.

It definitely has nothing to do with LEOSA or qualifying annually. The town you live in has no control over your department.

 

Right.  I just don't get why my employer was contacted (which they were apparently) and now chief is checking with the initial investigating officer to make sure there was nothing more required.... semms like I am being spun in circles.  He said today that I could have it as soon as Friday... I am off the next two days from work so we will see how this pans out...

Ummmm.... I'm looking at mine and I don't see it. Nor do I see it anywhere on my used P2P's

My employer was never contacted but it does have the info on the P2P's as iCarry indicated.  

Also, I believe your town is notorious for dragging their feet wink wink.  I stopped in to an FFL near by last week and they were actually talking about how long they take, apparently just because they don't like approving permits.  It is not the first time I have heard that, either.

 

 

 

I take that back. I just looked at a few I have.  Some had nothing on them in that section but 2 did. That's strange...

I put in for 3 p2p's in late jan. when I was filling out the form I got to that part and thought I didn't like the idea of them calling my employer being that my handgun has nothing to do with my work. So I answered self employed and occ. was construction. Went fine without any questions. When I send in the new app. It will read the same.

I put in for 3 p2p's in late jan. when I was filling out the form I got to that part and thought I didn't like the idea of them calling my employer being that my handgun has nothing to do with my work. So I answered self employed and occ. was construction. Went fine without any questions. When I send in the new app. It will read the same.

Problem is I grew up in that town, It is a super small town and I know several officers as well as the chief since I was a kid.... they KNOW what I do lol

Also, I believe your town is notorious for dragging their feet wink wink.  I stopped in to an FFL near by last week and they were actually talking about how long they take, apparently just because they don't like approving permits.  It is not the first time I have heard that, either.

Yes I think your right.  If it were just the FID I am sure there would be no problem but that tricky little P2P makes them nervous!  One day the guy told me he wasn't sure if he liked putting a gun in my hand and I laughed and told him he wasn't putting one in my hand, that hand is already full with a gun, your just doing your job so I can purchase more hand guns as well as a rifle.  What do you need a rifle for... to go hunting with my dad, brother and cousin... I swear he said "Just have one ofthem buy you a gun".....

Hey wink wink something seems funny with your shit. Just letting you know. Were aware of it

Hey wink wink something seems funny with your shit. Just letting you know. Were aware of it

We?

i was "unemployed" when i applied for my 2nd set of permits.  it was no big deal, just type UNEMPLOYED and your good. 

its nice to know the "state" actually paid for afew of my guns.  :fuck:

Yes I think your right.  If it were just the FID I am sure there would be no problem but that tricky little P2P makes them nervous!  One day the guy told me he wasn't sure if he liked putting a gun in my hand and I laughed and told him he wasn't putting one in my hand, that hand is already full with a gun, your just doing your job so I can purchase more hand guns as well as a rifle.  What do you need a rifle for... to go hunting with my dad, brother and cousin... I swear he said "Just have one ofthem buy you a gun".....

 

I don't understand how a pd can even openly say things like that.  In this facet of their job they are effectively pushing paper.  You submit your paperwork, they make sure you met the eligibility requirements, and then they issue the fid/permits.  It is not up to them to decide if you can have it or not, if you meet the requirements they are required to give  to you.  

 

The fact that towns will delay paperwork for months simply because they don't feel like issuing permits is ridiculous and should be illegal.  If I were you I would have been livid when the officer told me he didn't want to put a gun in my hand, or asked why I needed a rifle.  

 

In TR they are pretty good about everything, there is a wait but not like you have experienced.  The worst I had to wait was 3 months and once an officer that gave me my permits made a joke about hoping he never pissed me off lol.  It was in a light hearted manner so I didn't mind.  

Yes

Yes

seems like you have some sort of insider information, care to tell more...what seems funny with my "shit"?

I am unemployed and they gave me my permits.

seems like you have some sort of insider information, care to tell more...what seems funny with my "shit"?

or more importantly who is "we"...

They have never contacted my employer. Your occupation is printed on the permit. I have no clue why though. My wife's permit says "social worker" she might be the only conservative social worker in the world.

Every time I apply the send a whole letter referencing me to my super he signs it and hands it to me. He actually told me that if they get to many apps about me they would start denying me on the reference letter.

Every time I apply the send a whole letter referencing me to my super he signs it and hands it to me. He actually told me that if they get to many apps about me they would start denying me on the reference letter.

Your boss said that he would say something negative on the reference? Or just not return it?

Every time I apply the send a whole letter referencing me to my super he signs it and hands it to me. He actually told me that if they get to many apps about me they would start denying me on the reference letter.

Really? That's crazy

My local PD does the same (letter to my job, even if it's only been a couple of months since my last permits).

Last time they also made a photocopy of my work ID. I explained that despite the word officer in my job title and the cracker jack box tin in my wallet, we are *not* LE, but she claimed she had to do it anyway.

That being my third time taking off from work just to submit my app for P2Ps, I dropped it. Especially since there's nothing on that id that they don't already have/know.