The prosecutors office overreacted. I told my buddy I'd be really glad that the po made those calls and not his pd. because I see some law suits for at least the damage done to the property.

They don't call in swat and pay them?This is a nonviolent crime. A knock and no answer and not seeing anyone home at a house they "heard" he was "staying" at isnt a reason to set up a perimeter, call in swat, roll the tank in and damage property. They could have just sat 2 plain cloths cops in the area. The guy turned himself in when he heard what was going on. They'd be fixing my door.

You're making your judgement based on the info in the article but only picking out what you want to support your opinion.

 

First of all, he was convicted on several felonies not overtime parking. I've seen people threaten to shoot it out with police for a lot less. His failure to appear is indicative he wasn't showing up on his own.

 

None of us is aware of what information the police received as far as him staying there. It was more than "they heard" as a judge felt it constituted enough to issue a search warrant. BTW with only an arrest warrant police can break down the door of your residence if they're pretty sure your're there and search for you. They can also seize any contraband or evidence they find in plain view.

 

Did the police overreact or were their actions justified? You really can't say unless you're privy to all of the information they received regarding he was there and what else was said. Do you have any idea of how many "man with a gun" calls police get that don't pan out and never make the news.

 

The idea of just putting two plainclothes cops in the area probably wouldn't work. If this is in the ghetto as was mentioned, everyone there, good and bad, knows who and what cars belong there.

 

It never ceases to amaze me how many people on gun forums, no matter what their trade or profession, know how the police should be doing their job.

 

Is there a forum for neurosurgeons where cops can tell them how to do their job?

You're making your judgement based on the info in the article but only picking out what you want to support your opinion.

 

First of all, he was convicted on several felonies not overtime parking. I've seen people threaten to shoot it out with police for a lot less. His failure to appear is indicative he wasn't showing up on his own.

 

None of us is aware of what information the police received as far as him staying there. It was more than "they heard" as a judge felt it constituted enough to issue a search warrant. BTW with only an arrest warrant police can break down the door of your residence if they're pretty sure your're there and search for you. They can also seize any contraband or evidence they find in plain view.

 

Did the police overreact or were their actions justified? You really can't say unless you're privy to all of the information they received regarding he was there and what else was said. Do you have any idea of how many "man with a gun" calls police get that don't pan out and never make the news.

 

The idea of just putting two plainclothes cops in the area probably wouldn't work. If this is in the ghetto as was mentioned, everyone there, good and bad, knows who and what cars belong there.

 

It never ceases to amaze me how many people on gun forums, no matter what their trade or profession, know how the police should be doing their job.

 

Is there a forum for neurosurgeons where cops can tell them how to do their job?

 

Puh-lease. 

 

Doc: 4 years undergrad, 4 years of medical school, 3 years residency, minimum.

 

Cop: GED, push ups, sit ups, run a mile and a half.

 

Not for nothing, but MOST people are more than qualified to judge the actions of the poilce. 

Knock knock, nobody's home

 

 

Gets you this. And to cops it's reasonable. And that my friends is the problem.

 

 

 

 

 

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Puh-lease. 

 

Doc: 4 years undergrad, 4 years of medical school, 3 years residency, minimum.

 

Cop: GED, push ups, sit ups, run a mile and a half.

 

Not for nothing, but MOST people are more than qualified to judge the actions of the poilce.

 

My comment about neurosurgeons was sarcasm.

 

Your comment about cops qualifications is woefully lacking. Like the critics in this thread there is a lot of info lacking in your statement.

 

Being that you don't see cops telling people how to be construction workers, mechanics, IT specialists or whatever. There is a lot more to being a cop than what you've stated. The call to do what was done in the OP was not done by someone with a couple of years on thejob.

Puh-lease.

 

Doc: 4 years undergrad, 4 years of medical school, 3 years residency, minimum.

 

Cop: GED, push ups, sit ups, run a mile and a half.

 

Not for nothing, but MOST people are more than qualified to judge the actions of the poilce.

shows how little of a clue you have. I guess your comments are indicitive of your ignorance. To be a police office most depts in the area require at least 60 college credits. The job is so competetive that the more school you have the better it is for you. Do you NEED a degree to be a cop, no but it is required in most cases. A GED will get you nowhere.

Swat, armored personnel carrier. My buddy was perched on a shed with an m4. Now I get to but his balls about it forever

 

 

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and people wonder why we think police are more like the military each day....

 

What a waste of resources, money, manpower, and pride

shows how little of a clue you have. I guess your comments are indicitive of your ignorance. To be a police office most depts in the area require at least 60 college credits. The job is so competetive that the more school you have the better it is for you. Do you NEED a degree to be a cop, no but it is required in most cases. A GED will get you nowhere.

huh?

 

5 family members 'on the job' and only 2 have more than 30 college credits and 1 of those two has a degree.  SP is another matter of course

 

6th is getting on in a large town from bussing tables....

Woodbury does require a degree. It doesn't have to be law enforcement related though. But this isn't about that. The difference on my people have the right to say how police should handle things is

A- they are public servants

B- when they do a poor job it infringes on our rights. C- Can even cause people to die.

 

They are the first line between the people and the government. Actions like this just shows exactly what our government thinks of its people.

 

 

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Woodbury does require a degree. It doesn't have to be law enforcement related though. But this isn't about that. The difference on my people have the right to say how police should handle things is

A- they are public servants

B- when they do a poor job it infringes on our rights. C- Can even cause people to die.

 

They are the first line between the people and the government. Actions like this just shows exactly what our government thinks of its people.

 

 

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These characteristics cover a broad group of people. Maybe not the second as much but the other two yes. Does everybody tell them how to do their job

Yup

 

 

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Yes indeed

If you want to have the power to stop people in their daily lives, arrest them, question them, bust in their doors, aim guns at them then you better be ready to answer them them. Obviously police don't police themselves well enough. Like child molesters take jobs with kids (scout leaders, teachers ect) people that have an authoritarian complex gravitate to law enforcement and politics.

 

Not all cops are bad but a lot of the times the good ones will side with the bad ones because they are "brothers". You know "the thin blue line" or "blues thicker then blood". If you say it doesn't happen your either blind or one of them.

 

 

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Do you ever get tired of spewing the same old garbage. We have a bunch of broken records here with every police story. Go and join NJ anti- LEO forums. If there isn't one start it...there are enough of you to go around. Then the rest like you can leave here and we can have good discussions instead of this same old back and forth about police. This is a gun forum.

Actually most of the time I avoid the cop bashing. It just amazes that you can't just say "yeah they messed up" even when cops are caught red handed I hear "I gotta hear the whole story". Face it cops aren't perfect. These ones messed up. The more this crap happens the more pissed off regular citizens will be. So I'd get use to it or fix it.

 

 

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And amazingly the only cop I've ever heard bashed was Kessler. And what did he do? Chose to side with the people.

 

 

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looks like we found more members of the "Coparazzi".. You know those obsessed with everything cop.. cop lingo, cop tactics, cop education, cop cars, cop uniforms, cop pay, cop fitness, cop haircuts, cop holsters, taking photos and videos of cops, surfing the web, for cop stuff, cop attitudes, cop benefits.., cop rights.... ..They spend a good majority of their lives worried about everything cop...quite weird and disturbing actually

Actually I'm not obsessed with them all. If i had it my way their would be way less of em. I dont call them for anything, i dont need em. the ones im friends with i was friend with before they became cops. But I do know what's wrong and what's right. What they did was wrong. I just don't understand why it's so hard to admit it.

 

 

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looks like we found more members of the "Coparazzi".. You know those obsessed with everything cop.. cop lingo, cop tactics, cop education, cop cars, cop uniforms, cop pay, cop fitness, cop haircuts, cop holsters, taking photos and videos of cops, surfing the web, for cop stuff, cop attitudes, cop benefits.., cop rights.... ..They spend a good majority of their lives worried about everything cop...quite weird and disturbing actually

I don't talk in that "lingo", the tactics I don't like when they over reach, I know that towns education requirements because my buddy is one. He has a creative writing degree and I busted his balls that that degree probably comes in handy making up police reports. The guy who grew up across the street from me was a special 2 in that town but left and went full time somewhere else because without a degree he would never be hired there and a town a few miles away did. Uniforms I'm against the militarization of the police, cop cars are slow so I don't care, I don't care what they make I just care when taxes go up, fitness I don't care, haircut I don't care, benefits I believe every working man should have benefits, additude and rights I care when the additude infringes on my rights.

 

I don't live my life worried about them at all. But there is that ego again

 

 

 

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Knock knock, nobody's home

 

 

Gets you this. And to cops it's reasonable. And that my friends is the problem.

 

 

 

 

 

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WHY does that look more like an army patrol than it does police?

Military wear the uniforms they do for a reasons. To hold gear. It works. Why wouldnt you use what is proven to work.

You, me, and some others understand that but many don't.

 

I'd like to go on record as declaring myself an 'understander' of that

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They should totally be wearing regular uniforms!

 

 

This looks much less military like..

 

Just for reference:

When it comes to reading stories about the police, I find it best to read it knowing that there is information left out for any number of reasons.

 

For instance, remember how long it was before we saw pictures of George Zimmerman with a bloody head?

 

In other words - "you weren't there" should be repeated before judging from a news article. Some people here, I would think, would have known that intuitively.

 

Then again, I kinda like seeing a tank roll up on a repeat felon. Better to be judged by Shawn Moore online than killed by a shithead.

 

 

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They should totally be wearing regular uniforms!

 

 

This looks much less military like..

 

Just for reference:

"Schpringtime, for Hitler... And Germany

 

 

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When it comes to reading stories about the police, I find it best to read it knowing that there is information left out for any number of reasons.

 

For instance, remember how long it was before we saw pictures of George Zimmerman with a bloody head?

 

In other words - "you weren't there" should be repeated before judging from a news article. Some people here, I would think, would have known that intuitively.

 

Then again, I kinda like seeing a tank roll up on a repeat felon. Better to be judged by Shawn Moore online than killed by a shithead.

 

 

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nah...we know the select few who will just take it for face value because its what they want to believe. They dont need all the facts. Its funny because one was in a situation and made to look bad when it really was nothing. Yet he still spouts off at every chance according to news articles. Ironic

Well a cop who was there can admit that they got bad info and they messed up but one who wasn't can't. Because then he'd have to admit that maybe just maybe cops are capable of making mistakes.

 

 

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And I'm going by a conversation I had with a friend of mine that was on the scene.

 

Ill even quote

In their defense, it's an imperfect world and decisions are made with imperfect info.

 

 

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