hahaha  "Cause I typically come out here, and pull my gun out on police. Thats what I do."

 

ah, I get now, I think.  I believe you are saying that when the SOP is to call in that you are in an unmarked car making a stop it eliminates the need to make big huge "COP IMPERSONATOR" briefings when a rash of them happening.  This is because the SOP covers everyone at all times, not just when a rash of them happen.

 

If not, I get it this way.  No need to hurt my brain more

 

In the meantime, I can't stop thining about that trooper walking up on two armed men wearing ballistic vests not knowing if they are real or not with just a pistol.  Cast iron man... cast iron.

 

And one more thing I just remembered.  In Iraq i had to get one of my soldiers for some reason I forget.  Kid from the ghetto.  I knocked and the kid opened it with an M-16 pointed in my face.  I said "put that shit down and do...'"  whatecer the fugg it was.

Now, I know all kinds DI's and wanna be DI's that would do the hairy balls dance like the BCPD guy did, but I know many more that would see it for what I saw, a kid from the ghetto having a reaction to a knock on the door.  I had words with the kid but I knew the words meant nothing when this kid had a trigger triggered.  I just remembered not to stand in the crack of the door next time.  And by the way, he never answered with a loaded weapon again.

Didn't bcpd get their funding cut a few years back? In turn they started targeting contractors for ridiculous violations. I have yet to see bcpd do anything other than write tickets. They really need to be disbanded.

 

Yep, bcpd has really bad reputation around here  

Trooper was 100 percent right. They had a string of robberies by impersonation and the trooper was doing his due diligence. I didn't see the draw so I am not sure if he drew down on them or just had his gun out but the the main rule is the uniformed officer on scene is in charge. The county cops are notoriously douchy so I don't feel bad for them. The only mistake the trooper made was getting in a shouting match with them. Just call a supervisor and let hem deal with it. That's what they get paid more. Glad to see the troopers boss stand by him.

couldn't agree more!

those county guys need to be stripped of a badge.  These guys are an embarrassment to leo...........

What the hell. I can't sleep. Figured this thread was over and we were going for donuts! What a bunch of kill joys! Lol...

can't sleep after the RU game.....fking Fresno

If I'm not pulling over for strobes and calling 911 I'm gonna leave my cell phone on "record video" for the beat down I'm about to get when that cop gets to my window with steam coming out his eyes. If I'm even lucky enough he doesn't have his gun in my face.

 

"yes judge i didn't pull over because i read on the Internet it's okay to make a phone call first"

 

Drive to the nearrest PD department? What is that is 15 minutes away? You will have so many cop cars in pursuit of you not stopping it will make A Fox News alert.

 

Please Please are we all really saying here to not pull over and you don't think there will be repercussions ? I need better convincing

 

I'd rather pull over AND THEN call 911. But just keep driving you guys are saying ?

What about the violation for talking on the phone while driving?

All I keep thinking is about the guy who got pulled over.  He must be like WOW This is great. Now I've seen everything.  The Trooper should called for backup.

agree, the trooper should have called for backup

 

as an aside, I don't agree with unmarked cars.  I think police should be visible at all times.  I and my family told my wife if ever pulled over by an unmarked car to call 911 and report an unmarked car with lights is signaling for you to pull over whatever marker you can give and request njsp. 

I also saw on this tape a Bergen County cop threatening to assault a Trooper if he didn't have his uniform on.  I wonder how he acts when he just stops Joe public?  This tape speaks volumes.  Why on earth would he question the commands of a uniform trooper?  I bet if there were one or two other troopers there this would have ended a whole lot different.

Did I hear BCP officer tell the trooper to GTFO of here with your costume and cry to your boss? SMH...Doesn't Trooper's authority trump local PD's in NJSP patroled areas?

Nope. Doesn't quite work like that. Also, a Municipal Cop typically has more authority than a County Cop has more authority than a State Cop has more authority than a Fed when enforcing local laws in their jurisdictions.

Can't we all just get along???

 

I think the Trooper was right on checking these guys out - didn't you see "Heat" ;-)...

 

I think the Local-Yolkal cops were extreemly un-Pro and could have cause a shooting...

 

The biggist Knoclehead was the second Local-Yolka who essentiall snuck-up on the Trooper fom the troopers back to "pile-on"...What a bunch of wacko's. If this is how they respect each other, think of how they respect us mere Citizens (see thread on police state)...Very sad display.

What I also thought was F'd up was how the Trooper yelled at the guy in the passenger seat of the car they just pulled over. "Don't look at me!" I'm sorry if I was that guy who got pulled over I would be looking at this sh!t show as well. LOL

I'm not cop bashing here, but BCPD are a bunch of douches. I got pulled over once for rapid acceleration on Rt. 17. After chewing my ass out and letting me go, he had someone else pulled over before I even merged back onto 17 from the shoulder.

 

I don't think I'd ever pull over for a minivan just out of principle.

If I'm not pulling over for strobes and calling 911 I'm gonna leave my cell phone on "record video" for the beat down I'm about to get when that cop gets to my window with steam coming out his eyes. If I'm even lucky enough he doesn't have his gun in my face.

 

"yes judge i didn't pull over because i read on the Internet it's okay to make a phone call first"

 

Drive to the nearrest PD department? What is that is 15 minutes away? You will have so many cop cars in pursuit of you not stopping it will make A Fox News alert.

 

Please Please are we all really saying here to not pull over and you don't think there will be repercussions ? I need better convincing

 

I'd rather pull over AND THEN call 911. But just keep driving you guys are saying ?

they may think you have a pistol in your hand when you call...that has happened too.

+1 for the Trooper

Fox News is reporting on this now

 

 

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What I also thought was F'd up was how the Trooper yelled at the guy in the passenger seat of the car they just pulled over. "Don't look at me!" I'm sorry if I was that guy who got pulled over I would be looking at this sh!t show as well. LOL

 

Military tactic. Go in flashing lights, lots of noise, commands, yelling. Keeps your prey disoriented.

Military tactic. Go in flashing lights, lots of noise, commands, yelling. Keeps your prey disoriented.

I'm not cop bashing here, but BCPD are a bunch of douches. I got pulled over once for rapid acceleration on Rt. 17. After chewing my ass out and letting me go, he had someone else pulled over before I even merged back onto 17 from the shoulder.

 

I don't think I'd ever pull over for a minivan just out of principle.

how do they define rapid acceleration - where your tires spinning? i assume you were under the speed limit.

I got a ticket for that before. "Excessive execration" I beat it in court though. Tires didn't break loose and I didn't break the speed limit. Another time in cherry hill I got pulled over because "I didn't have to make all that noise." When I was getting up to speed pulling into traffic. My stang is loud but I wasn't in full throttle.

They do that all the time in many towns I know...they use the noise ordinance line. My buddy had a stock g37 infiniti and idk if you guys are familiar with that but its exhaust has a nice tone to it. Cop pulled us over in it and gave him a ticket for loud exhaust. He beat it in court though with tons of paper work that he had to go obtain from the dealer and then mechanic stating that his exhaust was indeed factory and no alterations were done to it. The cop also said it sounded like he was accelerating a little to fast cause he heard the exhaust.

 

Military tactic. Go in flashing lights, lots of noise, commands, yelling. Keeps your prey disoriented.

Which is exactly why ex-military should be BARRED from being, not encouraged to be, cops. This is not Iraq or Fallujah. We, the citizenry, are not enemy combatants or insurgents. The president, as commander-in-chief, should order, under threat of re-call to active duty followed by court martial, that no soldier engage in civilian law enforcement, for a minimum of 5 years after their discharge, or 5 years after the end of the military service (including reserve/Guard). That should be enough time for them to "calm down" and re-integrate, and re-identify with the civilian population.

Also, screw the homeland security "grants". No more "surplus" military gear for LE. Sorry, but Barney Fife does NOT need an APC. If you really feel the need, then I guess we could outfit a FEW special response teams, stationed at several locations across the state, as to be able to cover the whole state. But, NO regular/local cops geared up and trained like military units. If its something beyond their capabilities, they call in one of the "special" teams. Further, those "special" team members, having been given military weapons and training, and likely to have a military "mindset" may NEVER engage in routine law enforcement activity.

 

I think the above would go a long way towards improving the "regular" cops relationship with the public. Return to the old "being part of the community", and someone the average citizen could trust; as opposed to Officer Rambo trying to intimidate everyone he sees with his almighty super cop "I AM the law" routine. 

 

 

 

They do that all the time in many towns I know...they use the noise ordinance line. My buddy had a stock g37 infiniti and idk if you guys are familiar with that but its exhaust has a nice tone to it. Cop pulled us over in it and gave him a ticket for loud exhaust. He beat it in court though with tons of paper work that he had to go obtain from the dealer and then mechanic stating that his exhaust was indeed factory and no alterations were done to it. The cop also said it sounded like he was accelerating a little to fast cause he heard the exhaust.

 

 

From what I understand, court precedent has established that a noise ordinance is enforceable ONLY if it states specific decibel levels, measured at an accepted scientifically valid distance (ie, it can't just say "too loud" is bad, ticket for you), and the enforcing agency/officer has/uses a certified decibel meter to PROVE you exceeded it. Remember, innocent until PROVEN guilty. Your friend should not have had to prove squat. The burden is on the prosecution.

I got a ticket for excessive excretion once.

 

 

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From what I understand, court precedent has established that a noise ordinance is enforceable ONLY if it states specific decibel levels, measured at an accepted scientifically valid distance (ie, it can't just say "too loud" is bad, ticket for you), and the enforcing agency/officer has/uses a certified decibel meter to PROVE you exceeded it. Remember, innocent until PROVEN guilty. Your friend should not have had to prove squat. The burden is on the prosecution.

I see nothing about decibel levels in the motor vehicle code, it just states excessive noise, unreasonably loud, or audible sound.

 

39:3-70. Every motor vehicle having a combustion motor shall at all times be equipped with a muffler in good working order and in constant operation to prevent excessive or unusual noise and no person shall use a muffler cut-out, bypass, or similar device upon a motor vehicle on a highway. 

 

39:3-69. Every motor vehicle except a motor-drawn vehicle when operated upon a highway shall be equipped with a horn in good working order and capable of emitting sound audible under normal conditions from a distance of not less than 200 feet, but no horn or other warning device shall emit an unreasonably loud or harsh sound or a whistle. The driver of a motor vehicle shall, when reasonably necessary to insure safe operation, give audible warning with his horn but shall not otherwise use such horn when upon a highway. 

 

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No person shall install or use on the exhaust system of any motor vehicle any device which emits an audible sound unless authorized to do so by the commission. 

 

Additionally, time restrictions, for example - from 10:00pm - 08:00am - can be used as well as distance limits - can be heard at 50 feet - in local noise ordinances in addition to decibel limits for the enforcement of non motor vehicle noise complaints.

Which is exactly why ex-military should be BARRED from being, not encouraged to be, cops. This is not Iraq or Fallujah. We, the citizenry, are not enemy combatants or insurgents. The president, as commander-in-chief, should order, under threat of re-call to active duty followed by court martial, that no soldier engage in civilian law enforcement, for a minimum of 5 years after their discharge, or 5 years after the end of the military service (including reserve/Guard). That should be enough time for them to "calm down" and re-integrate, and re-identify with the civilian population.

Also, screw the homeland security "grants". No more "surplus" military gear for LE. Sorry, but Barney Fife does NOT need an APC. If you really feel the need, then I guess we could outfit a FEW special response teams, stationed at several locations across the state, as to be able to cover the whole state. But, NO regular/local cops geared up and trained like military units. If its something beyond their capabilities, they call in one of the "special" teams. Further, those "special" team members, having been given military weapons and training, and likely to have a military "mindset" may NEVER engage in routine law enforcement activity.

 

I think the above would go a long way towards improving the "regular" cops relationship with the public. Return to the old "being part of the community", and someone the average citizen could trust; as opposed to Officer Rambo trying to intimidate everyone he sees with his almighty super cop "I AM the law" routine.

 

 

From what I understand, court precedent has established that a noise ordinance is enforceable ONLY if it states specific decibel levels, measured at an accepted scientifically valid distance (ie, it can't just say "too loud" is bad, ticket for you), and the enforcing agency/officer has/uses a certified decibel meter to PROVE you exceeded it. Remember, innocent until PROVEN guilty. Your friend should not have had to prove squat. The burden is on the prosecution.

Nothing in the first half of your post makes sense. 5 years of wait? Teams don't do routine LE work?

Nothing in the first half of your post makes sense. 5 years of wait? Teams don't do routine LE work?

Just to clarify, although I thought it was pretty clear; the above is how I think it should be, for the reasons I stated. The 5 year wait I proposed, is so that former military have sufficient time to realign their brains to a more peaceful civilian way of thinking. The idea is to wring as much "soldier" out of them, and their attitudes/actions/mindset as possible, before unleashing them on the domestic civilian population as law enforcement. As has been discussed before, the way a soldier can/does/should act in a "combat" zone, interacting with the local civilians, is very different from what is appropriate for a civilian law enforcement officer. Allowing former soldiers to become involved in civilian law enforcement, before the "soldier"' has been removed from their brains, is what leads to the rampant and inappropriate militarization of law enforcement.

 

As for the "special" teams" thing. Again, see above. "Regular" law enforcement, interacting with the public on daily basis, should not be engaging in the training and tactics, nor have the weaponry, of a military unit. My post about the "special" teams, is to recognize that, in some VERY limited circumstances, those aforementioned "military" style tactics may be needed, such as in a "LA bank robbery" or "Virginia Tech Shooting" type of scenario. But, those are far and few between. I think it would be best to "insulate" the "normal" cops, who deal with the public on a daily basis, from being exposed to the "military mindset" and attitudes that such a team would likely have, which is also why those teams should be excluded from routine daily police work.(and to keep them away from citizens) (Perhaps these "special" teams might be an allowable exception to the "no former soldiers" rule?). Think of the "special" teams as vicious trained attack dogs, and the "regular" cops as your friendly family pet. You probably want to keep your viscous attack dog chained and muzzled, until needed; as well as separated from the family pets.

 

I hope that makes my idea/opinion/"proposal" as clear as possible.