Tristar, importer of cool looking yet unproven Turkish made shotguns, has released a tactical shotgun that is getting some attention. The Tec 12 appears to be inspired by, if not a direct clone of, the classic Benelli M3. Normally the gun is a semi-automatic, recoil inertia operated 12 gauge, but the user can turn a ring in front of the forend (just like the M3) to convert the gun to pump action. Capacity is 5+1 with standard size 2 3/4 inch shells, but the gun also accepts 3 inch magnum shells.

Why would you want to turn a semi-auto shotgun into a pump? The answer lies mostly in ammunition. Most of the self loading shotguns in my gunsmithing shop are there because they aren’t functioning properly with the ammo that the user wants to shoot (usually cheap birdshot). Some “tactical” loads like reduced recoil buckshot or the so-called “beanbag” less lethal loads will fail to cycle most semi-autos regardless of how clean or lubricated they are. Add in the possibility of a fouled or muddy gun in tough real world conditions, and the idea of being able to manually pump a tactical shotgun by flipping a switch starts to make a lot more sense.

The Tec 12 brings a full slew of tactical features– picatinny rails, ghost ring sights, pistol grip buttstock, two different types of sling swivels, external ported cylinder bore choke, chrome lined barrel, and the list just goes on.  J&G Sales has them in stock for $530 at the moment, which certainly compares favorably to the rare Benelli M3′s current MSRP of $1589, but as a new product imported from Turkey, the Tec 12 needs to be put through its paces by some serious shooters before it proves itself worthy of even a $500 price point. Your spec sheet looks good, your design appears solid, now go out there and prove yourself, Tristar!

 

It's a semi-auto with a pistol grip.  That makes it illegal.

Alex beat me to it!

It may be switchable, but it still has a semi-auto mode and if it's semi-auto

an the grip is a No No...........

To bad it looks like it would be a pretty cool gun

What happens if you remove the pistol grip, while it is in NJ and when you get to your place in PA put it on?

What happens if you remove the pistol grip, while it is in NJ and when you get to your place in PA put it on?

Legal

"Pistolgrip" means a well-defined handle, similar to that found on a handgun, that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon, and which permits the shotgun to be held and fired with one hand.

 

Another issue: remove the stock and pistol grip and replace with thumb stock???

Isn't the pistol grip only one "evil feature"? No bayonet lug, flash suppressor, collapsable stock or detachable mag. If that were the case a Jersey legal AR would be illegal? No? That has pistol grip and detachable mag 2 "evil features" is kosher I thought? Are the laws for semi auto shotguns different from semi auto rifles?

 

Also I would challenge the "pistol grip" evil feature.

 

How can you call it a "pistol grip" if its on a Rifle or shotgun? Wouldn't said grip be a "Rifle grip"? Or maybe a "long arm grip"? I cant see calling it a pistol grip if it isn't on a pistol. Kind of like calling an El Camino a truck...

 

None of my shotguns have a grip that could be used on any pistol, therefore its not a pistol grip your honor. The defense rests.

 

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Isn't the pistol grip only one "evil feature"? No bayonet lug, flash suppressor, collapsable stock or detachable mag. If that were the case a Jersey legal AR would be illegal? No? That has pistol grip and detachable mag 2 "evil features" is kosher I thought? Are the laws for semi auto shotguns different from semi auto rifles?Sent using Tapatalk 2 NOW FREE!!!

I believe semi auto shotguns can't have any evil features. I don't have the statue it's just what I've been told and what I've seen on here

 

I think snce it doesn't have detachable mag or hold more than 6 it is legal with pistol grip

 

 

page 4 http://www.state.nj.us/njsp/info/pdf/firearms/062408_title13ch54.pdf

 

The following are examples of manufacturer changes

that do not alter the essential nature of the

firearm: the name or designation of the firearm; the color of the firearm; the material used to make

the barrel or stock of the firearm; the material us

ed to make a pistol grip; and a modification of a

pistol grip. This is not an exclusive list. A se

mi-automatic firearm should be considered to be

"substantially identical," that is, identical in all

material respects, to a named assault weapon if it

meets the below listed criteria:

 

 

iii. A semi-automatic shotgun that has at least two of the following:

(1) A folding or telescoping stock;

(2) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;

(3) A fixed magazine capacity in excess of six rounds; and/or

(4) An ability to accept a detachable magazine;

3. A semi-automatic shotgun with either a magazi

ne capacity exceeding six rounds, a folding stock

or a pistol grip

 

I think snce it doesn't have detachable mag or hold more than 6 it is legal with pistol grip

 

 

page 4 http://www.state.nj.us/njsp/info/pdf/firearms/062408_title13ch54.pdf

So can I put one on my 930? I didn't think I could. Would be great tho

I if a thumb stock could be substitute, that may be the way to go. Unfortunately, I do not see a definition of a thumb stock in the statute and have no clue if the State Police think a thumb stock is ok or not.

yes very confusing

Bottom line. A pistol grip on a semi auto shotgun makes it an assault weapon even if there are no other features present on the gun.

New Jersey laws:(

The concept is a few decades old. Remember the Franchi S.P.A.S.?

 

 

 

 

Darn shame. I always wanted a SPAS or SPAS like shotgun ever since I was a little fellow watching 80's action flicks. Before I read NJ gun laws I thought I was proficient in english.

On the TriStar, possible to remove the auto/pump switch in NJ and leave it as a pump only in NJ?

Franchi S.P.A.S.? Still available? How much do they go for where it is legal?

On the TriStar, possible to remove the auto/pump switch in NJ and leave it as a pump only in NJ?

 

Available on the used market; banned by name in New Jersey.

very cool. the only thing >>> how freely can u get parts for it ?

and do they have a plain hunting stock for it without the grip ?

I am sure there is a way to take off the stock and put a plain stock on it. Find a dealer in PA that carries one, and ask him if the stock can be changed to a plain stock or if the pistol grip can be taken off. The price point on this seems right.

I am sure there is a way to take off the stock and put a plain stock on it. Find a dealer in PA that carries one, and ask him if the stock can be changed to a plain stock or if the pistol grip can be taken off. The price point on this seems right.

An nj ffl could transfer it and neuter it for you it doesn't have to be out of state. I can't find any reviews on this shotgun, while it looks like an unbelievable deal I wouldn't jump on it until you find out its parts capabilities

try J&G sales website, see if anything is up

here is a youtube review:

The confusion over whether it is one or two evil features is because there is an error in the Administrative Code, which is what is cited above. If you look at the statute, it is any one evil feature.

 

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Pizza Bob

2C:39-1. Definitions. The following definitions apply to this chapter and to chapter 58:

2C:39-1w. "Assault firearm" means:

2C:39-1w(3): A semi-automatic shotgun with either a magazine capacity exceeding six rounds, a pistol grip, or a folding stock.

I might have to get one next summer as I will be living in pa then

 

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Get an s12.... Drum fed 12 guage is a blast...

Get an s12.... Drum fed 12 guage is a blast...

Says the guy who can actually use a true drum mag:p

Says the guy who can actually use a true drum mag:p

 

LOL he said he was moving to PA.. LOL

I always wanted a SPAS or SPAS like shotgun ever since I was a little fellow watching 80's action flicks. Before I read NJ gun laws I thought I was proficient in english.

 

Me, too..ever since I saw the hunter guy use it in Jurassic Park. The SPAS-12 will be one of my first purchases once I finally leave Jersey for good

 

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