Those rules are there to discourage suicidal people from coming there just to off themselves.

If they have there own gun, wouldn't need a rental.

If they bring a buddy, also less likely to try to kill themselves

It's just sad. A very close friend committed suicide last week (pill OD) This was her 7th or 8th attempt in the past 30 years.

We don't know all the details of this event, but suicides of this nature are all too common around the country.

 

Guess I won't get there tomorrow or even this weekend.

  

 

Sadly? If somebody is going to be killed at a range, I'd prefer a suicide over any other scenario. Of course, it is still very sad and a bummer.

 

Honestly, when I read the title, I thought it was a robbery in the parking lot. I've been in that store and that parking lot. There are a lot of people with a lot of guns that do not carry, if you catch my drift.

 

I assume they have the "bring your own gun or we only rent to a party of two" rule?

 

Yes I think it is sad that someone killed themselves.

 

Of course I am not the resident puppy kicking, cop hating, I got an M16A1, NJ guy livin in PA (cause you can move the guy from NJ out, but you can't take the NJ out of him)

 

MIPAFOX you just moved ahead of The Punisher on my favorite ficticional superhero list. Good Show!

^^^^^THIS^^^^^

 

+1K!  

 

I visited the Range/Store in Easton.  I was only there because I met someone and drove to buy explosives and acc's for a traditional sidelock.  That, and because I wanted to visit Sarco's down the street.  Heritage wouldn't sell me .22's so they can go ef themselves!

 

I'm really not into the whole "let's go to a range and stand next to Noobs that don't know which way the rounds go into a mag".  Rental operations, for the most part, scare me.  Too much to go wrong.  Back in "the day", you simply went to a club meeting, announced that you were new and wanted to try "X and such", and folks fell all over themselves to make appointments with you to make it happen.  Now, in the days of this instant impersonal communication and hiding behind screen names, the Buckeroos have to rent instead of making friends.  The lone exception is the great Meet-Ups listed on this and other Forums, IMHO.

 

The reason they wouldn't sell you the 22s is that they, like everyone else, only have a limited supply right now and try to make sure they have ammo for the people at the range. When I first went there it wasn't just 22s either and IMO that's just good business.

As for the rest, some of us weren't lucky enough to grow up with contacts in the shooters world like you and Heritage provides a friendly professional environment for starting out.

 

Yes I think it is sad that someone killed themselves.

 

Of course I am not the resident puppy kicking, cop hating, I got an M16A1, NJ guy livin in PA (cause you can move the guy from NJ out, but you can't take the NJ out of him)

 

MIPAFOX you just moved ahead of The Punisher on my favorite ficticional superhero list. Good Show!

 

 

I was scared somebody got jumped and killed. I am less frightened by somebody killing themselves. ANY DAY OF THE WEEK.

 

You would prefer somebody got jumped and killed?

 

Not sure where the rest of your bullshit came from. You got a lot of hate, seek help. God would probably help.

The reason they wouldn't sell you the 22s is that they, like everyone else, only have a limited supply right now and try to make sure they have ammo for the people at the range. When I first went there it wasn't just 22s either and IMO that's just good business.

As for the rest, some of us weren't lucky enough to grow up with contacts in the shooters world like you and Heritage provides a friendly professional environment for starting out.

I think you were blocking my parking spot!  I was wondering why folks were standing around looking shell shocked in the parking lot.

 

Smokin 50's bark is worse then his bite,  I bet if you PM him he would be willing to help you out.

The reason they wouldn't sell you the 22s is that they, like everyone else, only have a limited supply right now and try to make sure they have ammo for the people at the range. When I first went there it wasn't just 22s either and IMO that's just good business.

As for the rest, some of us weren't lucky enough to grow up with contacts in the shooters world like you and Heritage provides a friendly professional environment for starting out.

 

I KNOW why they wouldn't sell me ammo--they TOLD me when I was at their store.  I guess you and I will disagree about the "Good Business" aspect, since all I wanted was a single box of 50 rounds for a friend.  I wasn't looking to buy them out, thus my "they can go ef themselves" comment.  I didn't grow-up with contacts in the Shooter's world, I spent money on dues to a private club.  The thought of going to a public range disgusts me, since I read too many times of these incidents where folks OFF themselves, and I would feel very uncomfortable walking through a human blood pool.

 

Too each, their own........

 

p.s.:  Holeshot is correct.  I don't rent guns, but I may be able to guest you into a range where clays sail through the air, steel gets wrung, black powder plumes are welcome and riflemen shoot at 100 yards.  PM me if interested.

 

Dave

   

 

I was scared somebody got jumped and killed. I am less frightened by somebody killing themselves. ANY DAY OF THE WEEK.

 

You would prefer somebody got jumped and killed?

 

Not sure where the rest of your bs came from. You got a lot of hate, seek help. God would probably help.

 

Not sure how you came up with that but HG is in front of Club Mohican (SP?)   and I know there was a shooting there back when I was in High School.

 

You got moved ahead of The Punisher on my list and you call that hate?   LOL

Those rules are there to discourage suicidal people from coming there just to off themselves.

If they have there own gun, wouldn't need a rental.

If they bring a buddy, also less likely to try to kill themselves

 

Well, I'm not sure what I can do to ensure them that I'm not "suicidal."  So, maybe they might not rent to me in the future.

 

We'll cross that bridge when we get to it.

Smokin 50's bark is worse then his bite, I bet if you PM him he would be willing to help you out.

He's like a big snuggly teddy bear

Hey Smokin 50, we're just talking here right? It sounds to me like two grown-ups who agree that it's okay to disagree.

And Holeshot you're right. That was us. You were the guy in the Caddie who talked to Janice right? Poor girl was very shook up. We stopped to make sure she was okay.

You got moved ahead of The Punisher on my list and you call that hate?   LOL

Time for the proverbial Rubber Hose Scott ......

 

This is not the thread for humor but i just had to mention that.

 

RIP to whoever ended his/her life tonight.

I KNOW why they wouldn't sell me ammo--they TOLD me when I was at their store.  I guess you and I will disagree about the "Good Business" aspect, since all I wanted was a single box of 50 rounds for a friend.  I wasn't looking to buy them out, thus my "they can go ef themselves" comment.  I didn't grow-up with contacts in the Shooter's world, I spent money on dues to a private club.  The thought of going to a public range disgusts me, since I read too many times of these incidents where folks OFF themselves, and I would feel very uncomfortable walking through a human blood pool.

 

Too each, their own........

 

I agree that obviously the chances for this happening are much greater at a public range with these type of rules, but I would not go so far as to say it couldn't happen at SOME private ranges. 

Well, I'm not sure what I can do to ensure them that I'm not "suicidal." So, maybe they might not rent to me in the future.

 

We'll cross that bridge when we get to it.

You gotta understand, they'r handing a firearm to someone they know nothing about. That person could be suicidal, homicidal or just a dangerous idiot.

 

Can someone be all of those things and bring his own gun? Sure. But less likely.

Could he be all of those things and bring a buddy? Yup, but again, less likely (well maybe not the third thing...... anybody up for tossing guns over walls?)

 

The point is, renting guns to the public at large presents an inherent risk. I'm all for ranges taking measures to minimize that risk.

Hey Smokin 50, we're just talking here right? It sounds to me like two grown-ups who agree that it's okay to disagree.

And Holeshot you're right. That was us. You were the guy in the Caddie who talked to Janice right? Poor girl was very shook up. We stopped to make sure she was okay.

 

Just talkin' is right.  Like Alec said, I'm a Teddy Bear when you get to know me.

 

This whole story of suicide at a Gun Range riles me up, cause it's just that much more ammo for the Anti's.  I hope the next poor bastard jumps off a cliff or a bridge--and has NO connection to firearms, since it's hard enough around here to just "get by" having my hobby and being able to enjoy it!  And I'd be remiss if I didn't say R.I.P.!  But I do hope the next one uses the bridge or cliff!

Amen

Time for the proverbial Rubber Hose Scott ......

 

This is not the thread for humor but i just had to mention that.

 

RIP to whoever ended his/her life tonight.

 

Alot of times I revert to humor Igor.    I am sorry if I offened anyone that was not my intention.

 

I agree there is nothing funny about this.  I find it deeply troubling that this individual thought this was the only way out.

 

Somewhere tonight there may be family and friends that are grieving the loss of a loved one.  I hope this person rests in peace.

I agree that obviously the chances for this happening are much greater at a public range with these type of rules, but I would not go so far as to say it couldn't happen at SOME private ranges. 

 

I completely agree.  Most Shootists would use pills and booze or walk in front of a train!  Anything other than bring disgrace to their beloved sport, club, or way of life.  That's the difference when you're a member of a CLUB....the mindset to not HURT what you have worked so hard to maintain, with your own "sweat-equity" and that of your friends.   The right choice, for the right reason.  Yes, it's DEEP, but sometimes that's how I roll..... 

Alot of times I revert to humor Igor. I am sorry if I offened anyone that was not my intention.

 

I agree there is nothing funny about this. I find it deeply troubling that this individual thought this was the only way out.

 

Somewhere tonight there may be family and friends that are grieving the loss of a loved one. I hope this person rests in peace.

Humor has helped many. No matter how bad i always try to use humor.

Anyway i mean the rubber hose for mipa since you re giving him a compliment. So i was using the humor andj wante to say i just had to do it.

You gotta understand, they'r handing a firearm to someone they know nothing about. That person could be suicidal, homicidal or just a dangerous idiot.

 

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The point is, renting guns to the public at large presents an inherent risk. I'm all for ranges taking measures to minimize that risk.

 

I absolutely understand. But they knew me well enough to take a bunch of my money on an annual membership. And to not be able to use that membership, now,  based on a rule change after the fact is a bit of an issue.

 

That aside, I'd also ask how does the range expect to encourage new people to use it and to grow, if these kinds of policies exist. Is the "inherent risk" that much greater than the potential reward?

 

 

My thought and prayers to the person who thought that this was their only way out and to the range officer(s) and others who witnessed it. 

 

It's a shame that people are thinking about how this will effect them....seriously?

I completely agree.  Most Shootists would use pills and booze or walk in front of a train!  Anything other than bring disgrace to their beloved sport, club, or way of life.  That's the difference when you're a member of a CLUB....the mindset to not HURT what you have worked so hard to maintain, with your own "sweat-equity" and that of your friends.   The right choice, for the right reason.  Yes, it's DEEP, but sometimes that's how I roll..... 

 

That's not too DEEP at all.  We all need that mindset.   It is very much about protecting our hobby and I agree that at HG, it was far too easy to do this. 

 

I am fortunate enough to be able to shoot on my own property.  It is not uncommon to hear the sound of gunfire on weekends in the surounding properties.  I have never had a single complaint against me while shooting on my own property however I still split time at many ranges both private and public to sort of "spread it out" so to speak.

I absolutely understand. But they knew me well enough to take a bunch of my money on an annual membership. And to not be able to use that membership, now,  based on a rule change after the fact is a bit of an issue.

 

That aside, I'd also ask how does the range expect to encourage new people to use it and to grow, if these kinds of policies exist. Is the "inherent risk" that much greater than the potential reward?

If you re only renting and dont own guns (waiting on FID or living with Anti s maybe??) then talk to them if they change the policy.

Or bring friends with you that have guns. But its their range and they re the bosses bottom line.

 

I am sure that thy ll do everything to protect themselves from liability.

  

 

It's nearly universal, and exclusively to prevent suicides on the range as I told you.

 

  

 

I tried, you refused to believe, then said the logic still escapes you, it is inevitable that you will learn in time nonetheless. I don't argue with people who are ignorant and then refuse to accept the answers.

I have only been to about 4 ranges where I have rented.  Only found one (Sprague's in Yuma) that had this rule.  They said it was an insurance thing.  I thought they might make an exception if I had shot there with another person before, but when I came back solo they said nogo.  Crazy thing is, I just got a buddy to come in with me--he did not shoot or even go into the range/booth area.  Just said he was with me, and that was fine!  I could have just asked another customer for all they knew.

 

Been to ranges in Phoenix, Corpus Christi with no issues.  I asked the guys at Shore Shot about this, they said they do have the rule, but they would most likely allow it if they felt okay/comfortable with the individual.

 

I think that is the last way I would want to go though--too messy, and I would feel pretty bad about leaving that mess for someone to have to clean up.

Selfish attention seeking assholes. Have to ruin it for everybody else. Places are just going to stop renting guns. Who wants the liability.

Dave, I feel VERY safe at our club, and CJ, due to the strict rules we have in place at both ranges. I feel bad for my friends that "belong" to public ranges because they live too far from clubs like ours. I have one friend who will not go to public ranges and was thrilled when I told him I belonged to a private club that hosts events that non-members can attend. He also feels very safe with the RO's running the events.

Rays sport shop had a couple of suicides not too long before they closed --  I had heard it shook up the RO pretty bad

 

It sucks that this guy thought this was his only way out --  but it sure is better than the asshat 15 year old who killed himself with mommies car on rt 27 in Edison this week taking 2 Brother in laws with him

 

RIP 

If you re only renting and dont own guns (waiting on FID or living with Anti s maybe??) then talk to them if they change the policy.

Or bring friends with you that have guns. But its their range and they re the bosses bottom line.

 

I am sure that thy ll do everything to protect themselves from liability.

 

Thanks much! PM sent. I will no longer participate publicly in this thread, lest I bring any further shame upon us for expressing how this tragedy "affects me."

 

Seriously???

Thanks much! PM sent. I will no longer participate publicly in this thread, lest I bring any further shame upon us for expressing how this tragedy "affects me."

 

Seriously???

I got your PM. I think that we re in an understanding. If it makes your range use impossible like any product you re entitled to a refund.

If you dropped 300$ on a membership you cant use, talk to the manager there if they make it very restrictive.

 

 

I think we re all speculating too much here for now.

These people that kill themselves are grade a assholes. Seriously just hang yourself at home.

Another internet tough guy