This comment from another thread discussing really disturbs me:

 

http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php/topic/62264-assaulted-civil-rights-under-fire/?p=795260

 

 

 

I just watched about 1/2 of it...A real shocker to learn that during the Catrina aftermath the Cops took everyones guns away. They went house to house like storm troopers...Just when they needed them most...What a discrace to thier badges, and the constitution

 

Is there a legal way for one's local PD to not be aware of one's firearms? Is local PD made aware of every transaction? Any difference for handguns, long guns, FTF transactions, or long guns bought FTF out of state?

All your handguns bought in NJ are registered. Your long guns are not. You fill out a 4473 but it stays at the dealer. Private long gun sales are even harder to trace. A PD would have to go to every dealer and firearm owner in the state to find your 4473's. Any firearms inherited, or brought to NJ that you legally bought when you lived in another state are not registered.

 

Best advice I can think of is keep your long guns in a different place then you registered handguns.

 

This is exactly why you should always oppose any type of registration. I wonder how many criminals/thugs guns they confiscated during Katrina?

One question I have with the new NICS check they are doing now (email submitting) it seems that even for long arms they are asking for serial numbers. Allegedly this info is only being held for 24 hours then it's deleted. Are the intact doing this is was the FFL wrong.

One question I have with the new NICS check they are doing now (email submitting) it seems that even for long arms they are asking for serial numbers. Allegedly this info is only being held for 24 hours then it's deleted. Are the intact doing this is was the FFL wrong.

I have not heard this. However, if this is the case, you can bet your ass they are not deleting the info. Can anyone confirm this?

I have not heard this. However, if this is the case, you can bet your ass they are not deleting the info. Can anyone confirm this?

 

The FFLs here previously have said that this is not occurring.  If you pay attention while your NICS check is run you would know what information is or is not submitted.

I have not heard this. However, if this is the case, you can bet your ass they are not deleting the info. Can anyone confirm this?

Of course they can delete it..  Since it's the Internet, the NSA will cache it for them.

The NICS check is on the 'person', not the 'firearm'. No firearm information is given to NICS, ever. As stated, only the acquisition of handguns as a NJ resident are registered, except for those through inheritance. Then again, those registered handguns can be sold, then transferred to a dealer in another state, making that registration skewed. Another ill conceived confiscation plan by the NJ government.

This comment from another thread discussing really disturbs me:

 

http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php/topic/62264-assaulted-civil-rights-under-fire/?p=795260

 

I just watched about 1/2 of it...A real shocker to learn that during the Catrina aftermath the Cops took everyones guns away. They went house to house like storm troopers...Just when they needed them most...What a discrace to thier badges, and the constitution

Is there a legal way for one's local PD to not be aware of one's firearms? Is local PD made aware of every transaction? Any difference for handguns, long guns, FTF transactions, or long guns bought FTF out of state?

 

I haven't seen the film yet so, perhaps, these questions might be "pre-mature."  Were the LEOs simply sweeping all houses "door to door" to check for Katrina victims/survivors (and subsequently seizing all weapons they found in unoccupied houses), or were they targeting specific houses (where they knew weapons existed) and confiscating them with people still in the houses? If the former, I'll bet their argument was, "Well, we just wanted to ensure the weapons weren't 'looted' while the houses were unoccupied."      Not saying that's right... just saying that's how they probably rationalized it.

 

Of course, there's the matter of "returning" the weapons to their rightful owners.....

 

All your handguns bought in NJ are registered. Your long guns are not. You fill out a 4473 but it stays at the dealer. Private long gun sales are even harder to trace. A PD would have to go to every dealer and firearm owner in the state to find your 4473's.

 

I hear reports of the BATFE visiting these FFLs with digital cameras and demanding to see the books (and taking pictures of the pages)....  de facto/unofficial "national registration"...

The NICS check is on the 'person', not the 'firearm'. No firearm information is given to NICS, ever. As stated, only the acquisition of handguns as a NJ resident are registered, except for those through inheritance. Then again, those registered handguns can be sold, then transferred to a dealer in another state, making that registration skewed. Another ill conceived confiscation plan by the NJ government.

So, if you sold your handguns to out an of state ffl there would be no way to prove or disprove it?

I haven't seen the film yet so, perhaps, these questions might be "pre-mature." Were the LEOs simply sweeping all houses "door to door" to check for Katrina victims/survivors (and subsequently seizing all weapons they found in unoccupied houses), or were they targeting specific houses (where they knew weapons existed) and confiscating them with people still in the houses? If the former, I'll bet their argument was, "Well, we just wanted to ensure the weapons weren't 'looted' while the houses were unoccupied." Not saying that's right... just saying that's how they probably rationalized it.

 

 

I hear reports of the BATFE visiting these FFLs with digital cameras and demanding to see the books (and taking pictures of the pages).... de facto/unofficial "national registration"...

The only way around that then would be buying your long guns via private sales.

 

I wonder when the government is going to make it as hard for criminals to get guns as it is for law abiding citizens?

So, if you sold your handguns to out an of state ffl there would be no way to prove or disprove it?

 

You can keep receipts, emails, and any documentation that you have. The dealer is supposed to record it into his A&D book as coming from you.

You can keep receipts, emails, and any documentation that you have. The dealer is supposed to record it into his A&D book as coming from you.

 PK90,

 

So if I read what you are saying correctly, any handgun I purchased from an out of state vendor and transferred to me by my local FFL in NJ is "registered" as in my possession.  This means there is no difference between buying a handgun in NJ or buying one elsewhere and having it transferred into the state and ultimately, to me.  Is this correct? 

 

If yes, then regardless of NICS the information is tracked by our P2P's.  I cannot think of a legal way to purchase any handgun via public (vendor) or private (personal) sale without having "big brother" tag us with it via our P2P's.  

 PK90,

 

So if I read what you are saying correctly, any handgun I purchased from an out of state vendor and transferred to me by my local FFL in NJ is "registered" as in my possession.  This means there is no difference between buying a handgun in NJ or buying one elsewhere and having it transferred into the state and ultimately, to me.  Is this correct? CORRECT. Your P2P says right on it, "Form of Register".

 

If yes, then regardless of NICS the information is tracked by our P2P's.  I cannot think of a legal way to purchase any handgun via public (vendor) or private (personal) sale without having "big brother" tag us with it via our P2P's.  CORRECT. As stated, for now, the only legal way for you to acquire a handgun and not have the government know is through inheritance.

 

 PK90,

 

So if I read what you are saying correctly, any handgun I purchased from an out of state vendor and transferred to me by my local FFL in NJ is "registered" as in my possession.  This means there is no difference between buying a handgun in NJ or buying one elsewhere and having it transferred into the state and ultimately, to me.  Is this correct? CORRECT. Your P2P says right on it, "Form of Register".

 

If yes, then regardless of NICS the information is tracked by our P2P's.  I cannot think of a legal way to purchase any handgun via public (vendor) or private (personal) sale without having "big brother" tag us with it via our P2P's.  CORRECT. As stated, for now, the only legal way for you to acquire a handgun and not have the government know is through inheritance.

 

Thanks Paul.....

I feel sorry for those of you who own guns, what a hassle.  I used to own a few guns but after Sandy Hook I got so upset I turned them all in to a local anonymous gun buyback. Sadly, they did not issue receipts.

^^^ me too... guns are scary. Traded mine in for golf clubs, I feel much safer now.

 

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This comment from another thread discussing really disturbs me:

 

http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php/topic/62264-assaulted-civil-rights-under-fire/?p=795260

 

 

Is there a legal way for one's local PD to not be aware of one's firearms? Is local PD made aware of every transaction? Any difference for handguns, long guns, FTF transactions, or long guns bought FTF out of state?

 

 

Not saying do anything illegal but if you are a resident of another state and move to NJ your guns are not registered.

Also if you inherit firearms from someone there is no paper trail whatsoever. 

 

Sooo... move out of state for a while, when you're there buy some guns and I guess move back to NJ. Then again if I moved out of state I would probably put a rusty nail in my eyeball first before I moved back to NJ.