I have a question: let's say you own a few guns and your spouse decides she's not happy with you having guns in the house. So let's say your parents tell you it's ok if you store the guns at their house. Do you have to do a "change of address"? But then the address on your FID won't match your license. How would that work?

 

 

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On a serious side I'd say that at least in NJ (maybe in other states as well, don't know) this is a strict "no-no" - you have to store your guns on your premises. Any other options (leave at parents' / boyfriend / girlfriend / aunt's house) can be considered an illegal transfer. 

But I'm obviously neither a lawyer, nor experienced gun owner, so probably others will explain this better.

IANAL, butttt.........I'd draw-up a rental agreement and pay them a buck a month for your old room, lol, so you needn't worry about the residence situation and/or change of address.  Now they're merely at ONE of your NJ residences!

 

Have you ANY idea how many Bergen and Hudson County upper middle income folks have a shore house?  Lots of guns in safes "down the Shore" during Hurricane Sandy.....

 

Don't sweat the small stuff, just make the Mrs. Happy and drag her to a Ladies Day at the Range so you don't have to put up with any more of this.......

 

Dave

IANAL, butttt.........I'd draw-up a rental agreement and pay them a buck a month for your old room, lol, so you needn't worry about the residence situation and/or change of address.  Now they're merely at ONE of your NJ residences!

 

Have you ANY idea how many Bergen and Hudson County upper middle income folks have a shore house?  Lots of guns in safes "down the Shore" during Hurricane Sandy.....

 

Don't sweat the small stuff, just make the Mrs. Happy and drag her to a Ladies Day at the Range so you don't have to put up with any more of this.......

 

Dave

+1  exactly.... I have one shooting buddy who has several of his firearms in another safe in a storage unit.

>>in another safe in a storage unit.

 

So am I correct that I can technically rent a kind of PS Storage unit somewhere, put a safe there and store my guns in it? (not that I need to do so or think about that, but just out of curiosity).

I was almost sure that this was not allowed...

Lol you think a verbal rental agreement is good enough? Let's say you frequently sleep at your parents in your old room and just want to keep them there out of convenience?

 

 

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As I have said before I am not a lawyer, don't play one on TV, and have not stayed at a Holiday Inn express - so my advice maybe worth exactly what you have paid for it - but here goes.  I don't think a storage unit would be legal as it is not a residence, in fact don't they strictly prohibit that.  On the other hand if you have a written lease from your parents I would think that would qualify as a residence and there is no law that says you may only have one residence so that should be cool.  But to be safe probably better to check with someone that has better legal credentials than mine

To All:

 

FWIW when I was at the Outdoor Show at Raritan Center last January, there was a NJ Company advertising a storage service to place firearms at.  From alleged domestic issues to a spouse that turns batshit crazy and might commit suicide, they will store your guns LEGALLY, and you don't need a gross of COE's or PPP's to get them back!  Go to the Show's web site and check the Vendor List, as they'll probably be there this year too!

As I have said before I am not a lawyer, don't play one on TV, and have not stayed at a Holiday Inn express - so my advice maybe worth exactly what you have paid for it - but here goes.  I don't think a storage unit would be legal as it is not a residence, in fact don't they strictly prohibit that.  On the other hand if you have a written lease from your parents I would think that would qualify as a residence and there is no law that says you may only have one residence so that should be cool.  But to be safe probably better to check with someone that has better legal credentials than mine

Also echoing your previous disclaimer, I don't think your firearms have to be kept at one of your residences, but rather, any land possessed by you (whether that be owned, rented, or leased).

 

(And I believe the place Smokin is talking about is Firearms Support and Storage)

 

e. Nothing in subsections b., c. and d. of N.J.S.2C:39-5 shall be construed to prevent a person keeping or carrying about his place of business, residence, premises or other land owned or possessed by him, any firearm, or from carrying the same, in the manner specified in subsection g. of this section, from any place of purchase to his residence or place of business, between his dwelling and his place of business, between one place of business or residence and another when moving, or between his dwelling or place of business and place where such firearms are repaired, for the purpose of repair. For the purposes of this section, a place of business shall be deemed to be a

fixed location.

Buy a safe and keep them at home!

Also echoing your previous disclaimer, I don't think your firearms have to be kept at one of your residences, but rather, any land possessed by you (whether that be owned, rented, or leased).

 

(And I believe the place Smokin is talking about is Firearms Support and Storage)

 

YEP, that's the same place, and they're in Whippany!  Thanks Too Big!

Okay...without going into the usual and already understood INAL ramble...Unless the laws have been changed or modified I don't see why a storage unit unless specifically prohibited by the Management of the storage company would be unlawful. You have a rental agreement,and if I'm not mistaken didn't Ray's offer storage lockers for rent specifically for firearms?

Now add to that the storage company that Dave is referring to and I tend to believe that it would indeed be a viable and legal storage alternative.

That is very interesting if it is legal its a new one on me.  I went to their webpage and they even offer a service where they will pickup your guns store them and return them.  Maybe fine for long guns but I don't understand how that is anything but an illegal transfer of a handgun.  Someone please educate me on this.

Just out of curiosity, why would the spouse "all of a sudden decide" that she doesnt want guns in the house?  I dont know your particular situation, but wouldn't she have known you had firearms PRIOR to you getting married?  (or if you started after you were married, I might have thought that she would have known that you were going to have guns once you started shooting)..

 

just seems strange for someone to all of a sudden decide that... (but again, dont know your particular situation)

Just out of curiosity, why would the spouse "all of a sudden decide" that she doesnt want guns in the house?  I dont know your particular situation, but wouldn't she have known you had firearms PRIOR to you getting married?  (or if you started after you were married, I might have thought that she would have known that you were going to have guns once you started shooting)..

 

just seems strange for someone to all of a sudden decide that... (but again, dont know your particular situation)

Can't comment on the OP's reason but my friend with the storage unit infrequently shoots with his wife and she has the combination to the home safe, he keeps the second safe so she won't be aware just how much he spends on his guns and ammo....he claims it's better that way.

what about storing some of them in state and some out of state?

Yeah the spouse never wanted guns in the house and while the kids were in the house I didn't fight it. But now that they are moved out I said I'm getting them and that's that. So now it's an issue and I'm just going to keep them at my parents (where I sleep often enough AND I actually do give them a bit of money regularly to help them out) so it's not at all a lie to call it my secondary residence. So based on what I'm reading here, I believe it is within the law for me to keep them there secured in a safe. I mean if a company can legally take possession of them outside of my residence there is no reason at all for me to think it a crime to store the guns at my secondary residence.

 

 

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Also I have it setup to auto transfer money into my moms checking each paycheck too so there's more evidence.

 

 

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Yeah the spouse never wanted guns in the house and while the kids were in the house I didn't fight it. But now that they are moved out I said I'm getting them and that's that. So now it's an issue and I'm just going to keep them at my parents (where I sleep often enough AND I actually do give them a bit of money regularly to help them out) so it's not at all a lie to call it my secondary residence. So based on what I'm reading here, I believe it is within the law for me to keep them there secured in a safe. I mean if a company can legally take possession of them outside of my residence there is no reason at all for me to think it a crime to store the guns at my secondary residence.

 

 

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You're welcome!  Like I said, lots of folks own a beach house or rent one for the entire summer.  They transport all sorts of "toys" and safely store them in their second NJ residence.  Your "official" address for NICS and NJFID is your permanent (voting) address where your vehicles are registered.  Viola!

 

Enjoy the hobby!

 

Dave

You're welcome! Like I said, lots of folks own a beach house or rent one for the entire summer. They transport all sorts of "toys" and safely store them in their second NJ residence. Your "official" address for NICS and NJFID is your permanent (voting) address where your vehicles are registered. Viola!

 

Enjoy the hobby!

 

Dave

Yes - thanks! This definitely resolves a dilemma!!

 

 

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You and your spouse need to have a talk.

 

When I first met my wife, she was ambivalent about firearms.  Whenever I bought a new gun she would roll her eyes, but that's about as far as it went.  She went to the range a few times, and was a pretty good shot, but got bored after 50 rounds or so.

 

I don't know anything about you.  If you owned guns before you were married and she knew, and now, all of the sudden, she doesn't want them in the house, you really need to talk with her, openly and honestly about this.  If this is your hobby and your passion, you really need to explain how important this is to her.

 

But if shooting is not that important to you and you don't need or want a gun for self-defense, you can go the parents home route.  I would draw up some kind of lease agreement.

 

If these are long guns, and your parents have FID's, you can keep your guns at your parent's house pretty darn easy- just fill out a COE and "sell" them to your dad. When you want to go shooting, your dad fills out a COE and sells it back to you.  Of course, you can't do that with handguns

 

But seriously, if this is something you love doing, your wife should understand.  Buy her dinner.  Tell her she is beautiful.   Take her out for a great night on the town.  Show her that you love her, but your love your hobby too and you want to keep both.

Just out of curiosity, why would the spouse "all of a sudden decide" that she doesnt want guns in the house?  I dont know your particular situation, but wouldn't she have known you had firearms PRIOR to you getting married?  (or if you started after you were married, I might have thought that she would have known that you were going to have guns once you started shooting)..

 

just seems strange for someone to all of a sudden decide that... (but again, dont know your particular situation)

 

Apparently you've never had to deal with a human being that has a vagina. 

Leave your guns wherever you want them. Stop worrying about it.

Apparently you've never had to deal with a human being that has a vagina.

LMFAO!!!

 

 

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Leave your guns wherever you want them. Stop worrying about it.

 

+10000

 

Especially since there is no law saying otherwise.

Yeah perfect - if there's no law saying you can't, then I'm good. Thanks guys!

 

 

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Apparently you've never had to deal with a human being that has a vagina. 

you mean other than being married for 12 years?   mm hmm...   lol

No one has addressed the issue, but how is it legal for this storage company to come to your home and pick up your handgun and take it to store at their site and then deliver it back to you.  Doesn't the law consider that an illegal transfer?

No one has addressed the issue, but how is it legal for this storage company to come to your home and pick up your handgun and take it to store at their site and then deliver it back to you.  Doesn't the law consider that an illegal transfer?

 

I don't intend to address THIS specific issue Howard, since I too am at a loss as far as the letter of the law in regards to this...  Maybe it has the same nod and wink as a gun buy-back program where EVERYBODY was an instant Felon whether transporting or selling or even the Cops themselves BUYING guns by the basket-full!  Oh yeah, they passed a new law giving the Cops clearance to buy illegal guns so everybody could continue to feel good!

 

All joking aside, MY common sense GUESS is:  You sign some paperwork authorizing the Company to act as your authorized delivery agent to the FFL's address (theirs) instead of taking it to a shipping hub for overnight delivery, and your authorized agent is an FFL that comes to your door?

 

You could always just ask one of the Strippers manning their booth at the Show next month, or call them TODAY...

Howard,

 

If you are referring to Firearms Support & Storage they are FFL'S and I don't think they don't come to your home to transfer your firearms. Two of my friends have stored their firearms there. One was going thru divorce and wife was vengeful and he wanted a way to prove they were not in home with records to prevent any accusations from the crazy wife. The other was over seas and stored them there. They are not only a storage facility, but also a store, and training facility.