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It has been totally mis-interpreted and serves no further purpose.

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Rosie, I am great at sending wood chips a-flying! Target stands are MY specialty! 

Rosie, I am great at sending wood chips a-flying! Target stands are MY specialty! 

 

Mike, don't feel too bad...if my arthritis acts-up I've been known to find the "D" Zone myself, lol.  I don't "buy" too many No-Shoots though, so I'm still doin' sumthin' right, lol!

 

2-3 years ago we did a 2.50 sec. Par Time Drill on a single target from 7 yards away.  With my holstered 8 3/8" .44 Mag (shooting 240 grain Cowboy Loads that make Major) I managed 3-A's, 1-C, and 1-D in 2.68 seconds from a surrender start.  My last shot broke .18 sec. too late, but since it takes all night to draw the N-frame out of the Uncle Mike's holster, they "gave me" the .18, so not bad for an Old Codger, lol!  I could see the wood chips fly on the last forced shot, lol!  Oh to be young again.....

what are your bill drill times with a proper gun?

Howard,

 

In response to your original post:

 

The very idea that you should purposefully "spread your shots out" in order to inflict maximum damage during a violent confrontation is, to put it bluntly, pure clown shoes.

 

It is hard enough to hit a critical area if the body that causes rapid incapacitation on purpose. These areas are small and the human body is amazingly resilient. Add in movement, stress, adrenaline, and all the associated effects of being in a fight for your life and you will see how impossible, even detrimental, that could be to do on purpose.

 

Your rounds will spread out enough on their own even when trying to be surgically precise. You don't need to add in any purposeful sloppiness.

 

In my experience, people that subscribe to this theory use it to make themselves feel better about their sloppy shooting. Instructors using this as a hook to make people feel better about their skills so they will be comfortable coming to class - Charlatans. I am curious as to who the instructor is so I can put them on my NFE list. Was is Lynn C. Thompson of Cold Steel? He is a proponent of that along with the "zipper" technique starting by firing into the ground

 

Anyway, as stated earlier, there are two ways to effectively process an attacker with gunfire:

1) CNS shut down - this is the shot/shots that shits the lights off - brain, high on the spine severing the spinal chord.

2) Blood pressure loss - this is a hydraulics problem: let fluid out/let air in. More holes = faster incapacitation. More holes in a critical

area = even faster incapacitation, more holes closer together in a critical area = fastest incapacitation. Large blood vessels and the heart are the targets here - these targets are located in the upper chest area. Think a triangle with the corners being the two nipples and the base of the throat.

 

Both ways of reducing a threat are accomplished the same way. Get the best sight picture on a critical body part that you can as quickly as you can and press the trigger as fast as you can getting while getting hits. If you try to be sloppy to "spread the shots out" you will slow down or miss - both of these outcomes are not conducive to winning the fight for your life.

 

Yes, you can hit lungs, liver, stomach, large muscles, etc... and there will be no in increase in your targets morale, but those shots may not have the desired effect of ending the fast enough to save your own life. The bad guy gets a vote in any fight, you need to make him do what you want. You do that by targeting and repeatedly hitting these critical parts of the anatomy. That doesn't mean that you don't shoot an aggressor in the foot if that is all he gives you to shoot at and you can positively ID that it's the bad guys foot. Just have a realistic expectation about the results of that shot. It probably won't end the fight, but it will put your attacker in a worse condition than he was in before you added the new hole in his body.

 

In training for self defense shooting you attempt to be as accurate as possible because in real shooting your ability and accuracy will be reduced by at least 50%. You train to shoot fast because that is what is needed. Training to shoot sloppily in order to have a bigger spread is training to fail.

what are your bill drill times with a proper gun?

 

Shooting factory Ball .45 ACP (with a power factor in excess of 185) in L-10 division, I've done the "3-Bill Drill" array in a little over 9 sec.  About 2 shots per second including draw, mag changes and transitions.  Just a regular "C" Class shooter (time-wise), but since I do a lot of competitive (non-action) target shooting I get lots of "A's".  The arthritis never really allowed me to "speed-up" and stay on-target, and saving for my kids's college prevented me from spending the necessary funds and time to concentrate on getting better.  These days I count on both my average speed and will to win (God forbid I need to use the talents I have), combined with the cross training from all of the various disciplines I shoot to give me a "mental edge".  And I'm not against fighting "dirty" either, lol!