What are some NJ legal comps that don't have a huge impact on accuracy at say 500 yards (16 inch barrel)? I like the BCM BattleComps, but they explicitly state that they are not for accuracy. Anyone have any experience with them? Is it possible to add a target crown to a threaded barrel?

 

Also, do you gain that much by having a 18 inch barrel over a 16?

 

My gf approved a build, and with all the different choices, my head is spinning. I don't have one and I already want ten.

Whoa buddy lol. Bcm doesn't make battlecomps. They make the gunfighter. If you are looking at accuracy in long ranges why put a Comp on at all. Just have a heavy barrel with target crown. I'd probably go with an 18" or 20" barrel too

You can add a thread protector. Then pin and weld Or if youre building it just buy a crowned barrell. Simple. You dont really need a brake/comp. it doesnt make that much of a difference where you are going to shoot off target.

Crowned 20" would do best for long range accuracy. I personally don't feel there is a need for a comp on a heavy weight 20" AR assuming you're going .223.

Well the ranges aren't that long, 500 would be the occasional trip to NC. 16 should be adequate for that, no? And thanks, I meant gunfighter. I get names confused. I'm not looking to make a target rifle, I just want one that can put holes in a target at 500 yards on occasion. My normal shooting will be 200 yards max. Think of this as more of a shtf gun.

 

Any recommendations on a barrel with a target crown?

 

Thanks for the replies so far.

Are the Gunfighter comps legal?

Are the Gunfighter comps legal?

They don't rule them as legal/illegal. Use at your own discretion

If your going for pin point accuracy your using the wrong weapon. A bolt action rifle would be what your looking for. Me personally I wouldn't go over 18 inches with a target crown for a barrel I don't think its entirley necessary.

 

And for "legal comps" I haven't heard off illegal ones as long as they bring 14.5 inch barrels to 16 inches+.

bcm makes comps...sells them as comps, packaged as comps...so that is what they are

Thank you all for the input. Not really looking for pin point accuracy. My co-worker told me that while in the Air Force he shot AR type rifles out to 500 yards, so I was more or less expecting this to be a standard. I think I will go with the BCM, they seem to receive a good deal of positive reviews.

I played around with one on a rifle and not impressed.  There are plenty of other brakes that perform better for less imho.  You are buying the name on this one.....

I played around with one on a rifle and not impressed.  There are plenty of other brakes that perform better for less imho.  You are buying the name on this one.....

=/ Are there any that come to mind that don't make the rifle a lot louder?

=/ Are there any that come to mind that don't make the rifle a lot louder?

Does it really bother you? Even with muffs on?

It bothers my gf, Haha, I want her to enjoy it too. Other reasons as well, but that is a big factor.

Ok fair enough. Comps and brakes usually make it worse. Try doubling up her ear pro (muffs and inserts)

Here's some advice. You are all over the place. First you wanted 500 yards accuracy. Then you wanted 200. Now you want noise reduction.

 

They are compensators they do differnent things. You needtip decide what you want first. I'm not being a doosh here and not helping. I'm just saying as soon as you said you want it quieter you just changed the purpose entirely.

 

As above: 500 yards no comp. 200 yards anything will work. Noise reduction look for linear compensator

i dont know why people hate the BCM comp. i have one and it works great. i took a class and i had some of the smallest groups in the class. now i cant say that it was because of the comp, my skill, or everyone else was just that terrible, but it kept me on target and isn't as loud as some of the other comps i've tried. i would get it again.

To be honest it seems like you already have your mind made up and want the bcm comp. There is about half a billion positive reviews of it online on any given ar forum/thread. And in the way of noise guns aren't quite period as you know. If your truly worried about the noise I know some people wear plugs underneath another form of earpro ie Howard Leights and Peltors to name two of the more popular kind. I'm sure the bcm comp will be money well spent if you take the plunge.

I have a bit more to add to my previous post. If you want to shoot to 500 yards I suggest that you practice as well. That will have much more of an impact than any type of muzzle device you put on your rifle. I've never shot that far but I have confidence my 14.5 inch barrel with the bcm comp will hit if I do my part. And if your that worried about it, a crowned barrel is never wrong.

 

If your worried about your gf and noise, well I'd find a new gf. But seriously just double up with plus and muffs. Or look into custom hearing protection, the kind where they mold your ear. Ive heard that works really well.

I have a bit more to add to my previous post. If you want to shoot to 500 yards I suggest that you practice as well. That will have much more of an impact than any type of muzzle device you put on your rifle. I've never shot that far but I have confidence my 14.5 inch barrel with the bcm comp will hit if I do my part. And if your that worried about it, a crowned barrel is never wrong.

 

This was what I needed to hear. I don't want to drive tacks, I just want a minute of man rifle. Thank you. I have pretty much narrowed the comp down to the BCM Gunfighter and BCE Battle Comp. They both look like what I want.

The BCM Gunfighter mod1 is a nice brake/comp.. I be got two on my builds and they shoot well. I also have Spikes Dynacomp extream and that also works well a bit thumper though. Also I was looking for something that resembled an A2 hider and it kinda fit the bill... running them all on 14.5 barrels both also come with the proper pin and crush washer... oh yeah I also installed a PWS on a buddies rifle he loves it...... hope this helps

Just wrote up a lengthy reply that got frozen when I tried attaching a link......frustrating!!!!

 

Anyway,...

 

I have the Spikes Dynacomp and BCM.  I've shot the BC, Wilson and some flavor of Yankee Hill.

 

Visually, the Wilson looks like an A1 w/ a smaller opening in front.  Both the Wilson and YHM are blasty on the 14.5" barrels I've shot them on.

 

Of the newer tactical type comps, the BC was the most blasty and the Spikes and BCM were slightly less than the BC, but still louder than an A2 flash hider.

The BC kind of pushes my sighting plane to slightly below zero during recoil, whereas the BCM and Dyna are slightly above zero w/ some lateral wobble.  Wasn't able to do a direct comparison at one time, but from memory, I don't remember recoil being significantly different than the other.

From my experience, neither the BCM, BC or Spikes showed an accuracy advantage over the other.  I think having a good crown and not overtightening the muzzle device would be bigger factors regarding accuracy.

For a SHTF setup, these options along w/ Griffen Armament, are the 1st choices that come to mind to be NJ legal.

I've looked at the Levang, Troy Claymore and Kaw Valley Precision Comp as possible other choices as they push the sound signature forward instead of radially outward, but the flash is huge and recoil is straight back (which may or may not be a good thing depending what you like).  You're shooting neighbors will thank you though.

A newer option that sounds really good is the Precision Armament AFAB comp.  Unfortunately, I don't think it's NJ legal since they advertise the flash hiding qualities of the unit and it has 3 large tines hanging on the end of the unit that look flash hider'ish.  I understand the blast is supposed less than most other comps w/ excellent recoil control..... and of course great flash hiding abilities...for a comp.  I called them to find out if they have any plans to make this unit w/out the flash hiding tongs and they said they might make something over the summer, but for now, they can't keep up w/ demand.

 

Ironically, I have an S&W M&P15T(F), which is a 16" carbine gassed barrel w/ no crown or muzzle device.  I run it w/ an A1 length stock (rifle length recoil setup vs. carbine length) and it has the least recoil of all my carbines (which include 16" middie and 14.7" middie).  In other words, second shot recovery is fastest on this setup.  I always thought going w/ a midlength setup optimized smoothness and what not for fast accuracy and recovery for successive shots.  Based on the S&W experience, I may explore other 16" carbine gassed options as well.

 

Overall, it sounds like you're looking for a muzzle device for your SHTF setup while still being NJ legal.  I'd go w/ a Spikes, Griffen, BCM or BC.  I think they all are within fractions of performance of each other while offering some flash hiding/recoil abating characteristics.

Thank you rauchman for the lengthy review. There are too many options for AR type rifles, and I really appreciate you talking about Wilson and YHM offerings. Between BCM and BCE, BCM is winning. Everyone (including you) seems to put them on the same plane, so this is where price becomes a factor. I'm going to look into Spikes a bit more, they make quality stuff.

I know Spikes is coming out w/ a Dynacomp II in the near future.  There is a thread on AR15.com on it somewhere.

 

Overall, I'd take the Spikes or BCM easily.  Personally, while the BC is nice, I don't think it's worth the price since there are other offerings doing comparative things.

I'm hoping its not too late to resurrect this thread. I'm looking at the BCM Mod0 comp. but unsure of the legality. in my search for the answer and came across this thread and see that the BCM was among those tested. does this mean the BCM mod 0 or 1 is good to go in NJ??? so close to finishing my build any help would be great.

I'm hoping its not too late to resurrect this thread. I'm looking at the BCM Mod0 comp. but unsure of the legality. in my search for the answer and came across this thread and see that the BCM was among those tested. does this mean the BCM mod 0 or 1 is good to go in NJ??? so close to finishing my build any help would be great.

 

The general consensus seems to be gtg, but use at your own risk.