I appreciate everyone's response ... Yes the C&R is useless in NJ for purchasing C&R weapons but you are missing the point. You can still get a C&R FFL and the NJ law says if you have one you are exempt from the OGAM law.

You would still get turned down by NICs.

Wait so if I get a C&R license I can purchase C&R handguns out of state without having to have them transferred back here?

I can't say that absolutely for sure......but what law would you be breaking? I would think it would be the same as buying a BP pistol out of state and bringing it back to NJ (except a C&R purchase would have to be logged into an A&D book). That being said, I would not trust the NJSP not to mess with a C&R holder that was doing this.......they've ruined NJ C&R holders lives before.......

Are C&R holders required to keep a bound book for NJSP audits?

I can't say that absolutely for sure......but what law would you be breaking? I would think it would be the same as buying a BP pistol out of state and bringing it back to NJ (except a C&R purchase would have to be logged into an A&D book). That being said, I would not trust the NJSP not to mess with a C&R holder that was doing this.......they've ruined NJ C&R holders lives before.......

 

What is a BP pistol?

What is a BP pistol?

Black Powder?

We are required to keep a bound book for ATF audits. Only have to log in C&R guns acquired after receiving the C&R. We can be audited up to once per year.

Why isn't the nj2as or anjrpc club suing then?

Why isn't the nj2as or anjrpc club suing then?

 

I have no knowledge but I would suspect it's an issue of not enough finances to cover everything all at once.  Frankly I would rather they go after the legislators and convince them that the law does nothing to stop gun crime and therefore should be abolished but Trenton is not in the habit of *removing* legislation.

Blake, with a C&R, you are not allowed to have firearms shipped to you, it only allows you to personally pickup firearms or have them shipped to an ffl 

Because nothing is in writing? 

 

 

 

 

Why isn't the nj2as or anjrpc club suing then?

I emailed Anthony at Gun for Hire about the C&R exemption and he posed the question to Evan Nappen as part of the "Listener Q&A" in yesterday's podcast, Episode #141 @ 45 Minutes, 30 seconds. In summary he confirmed the exemption is available but does not recommend people get the C&R for other reasons.

 

I don't think he understood that NJ will not honor the exemption.. His answer seemed to imply you could use the exemption if you want to but that is not the case..

His answer seemed to imply you could use the exemption if you want to but that is not the case..

 

Until someone tries to use it, we don't know this.  It would be interesting to have a C&R and a willing ffl call up state police asking about how he processes this C&R guy who wants to take home multiple guns and have this documented etc. so that it could eventually become a lawsuit.

I wont have enough money for a long time to do that.

The big reason Evan said not to get a C&R FFL is because NJSP runs a list of FFL holders and NJ dealer licenses (they are separate) then may go out and just raid the names that don't match. He was saying that some C&R FFLs get caught up in that and it's not pleasant. There was a case of one guy who had records of everything kept, followed the rules to a T and they still came and turned his place upside down because of the mismatch. 

 

There are several NJGF Members that have their C&R, and have not, nor do they fear a "raid" from the NJSP.

The big reason Evan said not to get a C&R FFL is because NJSP runs a list of FFL holders and NJ dealer licenses (they are separate) then may go out and just raid the names that don't match. He was saying that some C&R FFLs get caught up in that and it's not pleasant. There was a case of one guy who had records of everything kept, followed the rules to a T and they still came and turned his place upside down because of the mismatch.

 

Who is the guy who was raided by NJSP? If he has a C&R FFL all the guns he gets are either through a FPID and COE and/or a P2P in NJ. They are not purchased with his C&R so what would his bound book have to do with it? IIRC a C&R FFL is supposed to list C&R firearms he already possesses when he gets his C&R. That is a Federal reg not state.

 

A C&R FFL is a 03 and most commercial FFLs are a 01. NJSP know this.

 

What kind of mismatch can occur if you have a C&R in NJ.

 

Nappen is a lawyer. If you ask a lawyer how to avoid legal trobule he will tell you don't do it even if you can. Ergo, Nappen's response when questioned about Type 03 FFLs.