Without shining too bright a light on a quiet operation.. I believe an organized effort was successfully made last year to develop concrete evidence that the majority of applicants are denied.

Yes, there was the beginning of an organized operation. I and many others prepared applications and were waiting for the "go," and then...crickets. We're probably the same ones who responded to an email asking if we wanted to cause PAIN to our legislators and never heard back.

 

I'm still willing to risk the black mark of shame, but I will need some assurance of credibility from whomever organizes it. If SAF were to send a special message from Alan Gura telling us this will give him ammunition in Drake, then I'll do it in a millisecond. Otherwise, I'm going to be cautious.

Yes, there was the beginning of an organized operation. I and many others prepared applications and were waiting for the "go," and then...crickets. We're probably the same ones who responded to an email asking if we wanted to cause PAIN to our legislators and never heard back.

 

Well, for lack of better words, that sucks!

Edit:  Just thought about something...

The number of gun owners in NJ is probably a little over 1M.  That means, that the share with CCW is about 0.1%.  It would be interesting to compare with the other states, what % of gun owners have CCW?  I bet it is quite different, enough prove that NJ is way out of mainstream.

 

Just a couple of examples:  PA has 12.7 million people and 360,000 permit holders - that's 3% of the population.  FL is 14%.   These are the only two states I know. 

 

NJ has about 9 million people and 1200 permits - .013%.  

Just a couple of examples:  PA has 12.7 million people and 360,000 permit holders - that's 3% of the population.  FL is 14%.   These are the only two states I know. 

 

NJ has about 9 million people and 1200 permits - .013%.

Yes, this is what I mean.  Found out that the overall number of active CCW permits in the country is 8M, that is about 2.6% of total population.  So our rate of CCW holders is 200 times lower comparing to America.

Just a couple of examples:  PA has 12.7 million people and 360,000 permit holders - that's 3% of the population.  FL is 14%.   These are the only two states I know. 

 

NJ has about 9 million people and 1200 permits - .013%.  

KY is roughly 5.6 % based on 2012 figures.

 

http://www.quora.com/How-many-people-live-in-Kentucky

 

Total: 4,339,367 (2010 Census)

 

http://www.kentuckystatepolice.org/ccdw/pdf/2012_CCDW_Annual_Report.pdf

 

243,925

Gura discusses all of these figures in his supplemental brief in Piszczatoski (now Drake) in the 3rd circuit.

 

Just a couple of examples: PA has 12.7 million people and 360,000 permit holders - that's 3% of the population. FL is 14% These are the only two states I know.

 

NJ has about 9 million people and 1200 permits - .013%.

Pennsylvania had 872,277 permit holders in 2012, and it has been increasing geometrically every year. When we get the 2013 report it will list that greater than 10% of the PA population over the age of 21 has LTCF.

 

A double digit percentage of FL is non-resident permits. That is not discriminated in their statistics. As you know, they are one of two of the top states for non-resident permits nationwide. Despite their large population (and far larger population over 21), PA has a higher percentage of people carrying than FL.

 

PA has the largest total number of gun carriers of any state that requires permits to carry, regardless of population or age demographics. And almost certainly the largest number of any state (4 states don't require permits).

 

We also have the largest number of NRA members of any state.

So almost 1 million LTCF holders in PA, and an untold number of open carriers...

 

And rather than "blood in the streets", Pennsylvania is where most jersey folks go to relax for weekend vacations.

Here is a site, http://legallyarmed.com/ccw_statistics.htm  some of the info is dated. It puts the number at 32,000

 

However....they said their source was

http://www.gao.gov/assets/600/592552.pdf

 

Go to that pdf. From that pdf, go to Page 75 for a listing of all the states, Utah has the highest percentage at 19.3%, next was Georgia at 11.5 and Iowa was third highest at 10.9% .

 

For the lowest percentage ..... Illinois ranked as N/A. Hawaii has the lowest at 0 . California ranks as 0.1% but I am not sure if that figure is correct as some counties there are shall issue.

 

The pdf is a fascinating read if you like to research figures such as these....

 

 

"Table 7: Number of Valid Permits (as Reported by States) as of December 31, 2011, unless noted otherwise"

 

New Jersey b 32,000  (permits)  6,501,000 (population)  At least 0.5  (%)  2 years (permit expiration)

 

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Here is a site, http://legallyarmed.com/ccw_statistics.htm  some of the info is dated. It puts the number at 32,000

 

However....they said their source was

http://www.gao.gov/assets/600/592552.pdf

 

Go to that pdf. From that pdf, go to Page 75 for a listing of all the states, Utah has the highest percentage at 19.3%, next was Georgia at 11.5 and Iowa was third highest at 10.9% .

 

For the lowest percentage ..... Illinois ranked as N/A. Hawaii has the lowest at 0 . California ranks as 0.1% but I am not sure if that figure is correct as some counties there are shall issue.

 

The pdf is a fascinating read if you like to research figures such as these....

 

 

"Table 7: Number of Valid Permits (as Reported by States) as of December 31, 2011, unless noted otherwise"

 

New Jersey b 32,000  (permits)  6,501,000 (population)  At least 0.5  (%)  2 years (permit expiration)

 

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PA does not have the highest percentage. But it is in the top handfull.

 

PA has the most people carrying total.

Got my (printed) copy of ANJRPC News and Briefs today. Bach says that 1195 figure includes retired LEO. I find that hard to believe for two reasons. One is that NJSP's statistics specifically say they exclude retired LEOs. Two, retired LEO is shall issue. And really, a lot of retired cops carry. I know three that do, and two of them are retired COs.  

Got my (printed) copy of ANJRPC News and Briefs today. Bach says that 1195 figure includes retired LEO. I find that hard to believe for two reasons. One is that NJSP's statistics specifically say they exclude retired LEOs. Two, retired LEO is shall issue. And really, a lot of retired cops carry. I know three that do, and two of them are retired COs.  

 

Well viewing various statements on it, I read one that made some sense, whihc stated that 1195 were the number of permits issued for the year in question. Add up LEO retirees, the special folk and cronies, and armed guards and armored car drivers, and it sounds like that might make sense. 

And really, a lot of retired cops carry. I know three that do, and two of them are retired COs.

 

Just because many carry it doesn't mean that all do so legally. I've met several retired LEO (not necessarily in NJ) who have the attitude of "I'm still a cop, I'm gonna carry and if I get caught, they'll let me go when I show my credentials". Which, in our corrupt environment, is probably true...especially if the credentials are wrapped with a picture of a dead president.

 

Not saying that all would do that but the ones who abused the power/privilege when active are likely to continue to do so after retirement.

 

 

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Just because many carry it doesn't mean that all do so legally.

 

The two that I know have the permit. They also qualify semi annually. So they're legal.

Any RLEO does not need a NJ Permit to be able to carry legally in the State of NJ per Federal Law HR218/S1132. LINK

 

When I retired, I went through the steps to get one and paid NJ their $50. After one year and the added HR4310 amendments, I realized that this was a money-making/anti-carry scheme, and I stopped getting a NJ Permit, however I qualify regularly per the Federal requirements.

 

I personally have qualified 10+ RLEOs that get their NJ Permit. Their choice. I know of three others that qualify RLEOs in numbers way in excess of what I have done. I estimate that to be about 60+. IMO, the number presented in this thread can no way include RLEOs, and I do not even think that number includes Security Guards. Most of the thousand of Permitees are the select few, ie. Political Friends, Wealthy, etc.