A Jeep isn't supposed to be an SUV, its a Jeep.

 

As a former SJ owner, that's just... absurd.

As a former SJ owner, that's just... absurd.

It would sound absurd to an SJ owner. An SJ is a 4wd station wagon. Probably why its called a Waggoner. A real Jeep is an open body vehicle, with solid axles, & a full frame. Anything else is a station wagon for getting the kids from soccer or food shopping. My Jeep doesn't have a roof, carpets, power windows, or a cup holder for a Latte from Starbucks. Its not a "Sport Utility Vehicle" its a Jeep, nothing more nothing less. SUV is the term some Detroit marketing guy came up with, to sell women vehicles other than cars. Long after the Jeep already existed. Before 1990 everyone just called them a Jeep, there is no other vehicle like it. Maybe an old Bronco up to 1977, or an old Toyota land cruiser would be equivalent. I would even credit the old open bodied land rovers. But not the crap they produce now.

 

A real Jeep is an open body vehicle, with solid axles, & a full frame. Anything else is a station wagon for getting the kids from soccer or food shopping. My Jeep doesn't have a roof, carpets, power windows, or a cup holder for a Latte from Starbucks.

 

A real Jeep is any Jeep that is often taken off road and usually comes out the trail on its own power.

 

A real Jeep is a utility vehicle first and foremost.

 

It's rare to see any evidence of shrub rub or baked dirt under most of the big lift, chrome Wranglers we all encounter on NJ roads.  But they're always the first to talk about their "real Jeep".  They're also the first to run out to the parking lot in a panic because a shopping cart hit their big bad Jeep.

 

My point is that these pedantic requirements for what make a real Jeep are not legitimate or based in reality.

 

Like my XJ's which you've relegated to station wagon status because they're not open body and have a roof.   Then again I don't have doors or a floor pan.   Can I substitute one requisite "real Jeep" feature for another in determining if my Jeeps are real?  Reminds me of trying to figure out if a rifle is NJ-compliant.  Too many damn rules.

 

If it's got a Jeep badge on it and you go wheeling with it.... it's a real Jeep.

 

That's my take on it

Jeep would be out of business if not for their take on SUVs. I would bet that most owners want at least one cup holder and a roof. Not everyone has the luxury of having it as a second or third vehicle.

It would sound absurd to an SJ owner. An SJ is a 4wd station wagon. Probably why its called a Waggoner. A real Jeep is an open body vehicle, with solid axles, & a full frame.

 

Ignorance is astounding.  SJ's have full axles, full frames and no cup holders.  Yes, it had (OMFG) A/C, as well as a 360, a roof, six way power drivers seat, 4 wheel hi and low via an NP219. I plowed with mine.  To call it a station wagon is to put it in the category of myriad other street vehicles of the day. 

 

Wagoneers are station wagons.. But really cool station wagons. I would drive one. The only other wagons I would drive is a satellite turned Road Runner or Yenko clone wagon.

 

Also, there's a special place in my heart for old Scouts. I would mall crawl a restored one without shame.

A real Jeep is any Jeep that is often taken off road and usually comes out the trail on its own power.

 

A real Jeep is a utility vehicle first and foremost.

 

It's rare to see any evidence of shrub rub or baked dirt under most of the big lift, chrome Wranglers we all encounter on NJ roads. But they're always the first to talk about their "real Jeep". They're also the first to run out to the parking lot in a panic because a shopping cart hit their big bad Jeep.

 

My point is that these pedantic requirements for what make a real Jeep are not legitimate or based in reality.

 

Like my XJ's which you've relegated to station wagon status because they're not open body and have a roof. Then again I don't have doors or a floor pan. Can I substitute one requisite "real Jeep" feature for another in determining if my Jeeps are real? Reminds me of trying to figure out if a rifle is NJ-compliant. Too many damn rules.

 

If it's got a Jeep badge on it and you go wheeling with it.... it's a real Jeep.

 

That's my take on it

I have respect for an XJ thats turned into a buggy. There are a few I wheel with that can go where I can. Ive even seen some sick ZJ's out in the woods.

 

The SJ is a tough truck, but its still a truck. It has a Jeep badge but the chassis is the same as a J10 pick up. Its not an open body Jeep like a CJ,YJ,TJ, or JK. Can they be made into incredible wheeling rigs? Yes! but most were not.

 

My old man had an SJ its the first vehicle I can ever remember riding around in. Later he bought an XJ, then a WJ that he still drives today. They are great vehicles for what they are. I actually have Waggy 44's in my YJ from a 79, so the ignorance isn't on my end. I know exactly what each model designation is, what they came with, their capabilities, and their potential.

 

I miss the cherokee chiefs. They were pretty cool FSJ's. Every jeep has it's place. Most guys that lift jeeps do it for looks. Few people actual wheel jeeps; maybe 1 in 20.

I assure you mine goes wheeling more than road driving. I trailer it most of the time. Its not as road friendly as it was when I bought it back in 94. As far as the paint or dents lol, I could care less. I didn't build it to be a show vehicle. Unless that show is up a hill with a 45* incline or greater. I do however know a few guys that are anal about the appearance. Mine isn't a daily driver anymore, just a toy.

 

It would sound absurd to an SJ owner. An SJ is a 4wd station wagon. Probably why its called a Waggoner. A real Jeep is an open body vehicle, with solid axles, & a full frame. Anything else is a station wagon for getting the kids from soccer or food shopping. My Jeep doesn't have a roof, carpets, power windows, or a cup holder for a Latte from Starbucks. Its not a "Sport Utility Vehicle" its a Jeep, nothing more nothing less. SUV is the term some Detroit marketing guy came up with, to sell women vehicles other than cars. Long after the Jeep already existed. Before 1990 everyone just called them a Jeep, there is no other vehicle like it. Maybe an old Bronco up to 1977, or an old Toyota land cruiser would be equivalent. I would even credit the old open bodied land rovers. But not the crap they produce now.

Actually SUV wasn't invented to sell them to soccer moms. I firts ran into the term in the mid 80s in reference to the IHC scout/scout 2.

Give me a CJ (5, 7, or 8) or an old J-10 Honcho any day...

 

or better yet..a Willy's

Give me a CJ (5, 7, or 8) or an old J-10 Honcho any day...

 

or better yet..a Willy's

I wouldn't mind owning any one of those above listed models either.

Ok so since this thread has completely derailed if any of you guys who go out wheeling I have a TJ and I have been getting into offroading. So if any of you are ever going out to a legal spot on a Friday or Saturday and are willing to take a noob along I would love to tag along.

Ok so since this thread has completely derailed if any of you guys who go out wheeling I have a TJ and I have been getting into offroading. So if any of you are ever going out to a legal spot on a Friday or Saturday and are willing to take a noob along I would love to tag along.

We do a monthly ride either to R. Creek or to AOAA. Always the 4th Saturday of every month. Your welcome to tag along. There are a few other private land rides we hold here and there, but they are only open to members for insurance reasons. theres a ton of other things we do as well from parades, wheelers 4 the wounded, food drives, toys 4 tots, member tech days, 101 wheeling safety seminars, the occasional car show. But we have guys that only join to wheel legally as well. PM me for more info if your interested.

 

Well I am open to joining a club and I would definitely come to Roush creek, I don't know what or where AOAA is but I would definitely tag along to any spot that I am welcome please keep me in mind for your next run.