Hi All,

 

Been reading about this measure that's now on Gov CC's desk to sign or veto. Just wondering, to those who have more knowledge in the matter, will we need to turn in all of our 15 round magazines or get them altered? Can the state police just enter our house and arrest us if we don't turn them in or get them altered? Thanks in advance...

 

 

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Hopefully the measure is vetoed and we don't have to worry about it. If it is signed into law or becomes law after the 45day period expires without action from CC (unlikely). Then yes mags must be surrendered, altered to conform to compliance, or sold/moved out of state. In the meantime continue contacting the governor's office daily to express your opposition to the bills. Also make sure you mention to others you may know (especially fellow firearms owners) to do the same, until action is taken.

All I have read is that if signed. We will have 180 days to permanently alter, dispose of, or send mags to a non-ban state

 

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Chances of the State Policy kicking in your door to arrest you and confiscate your non complaint magazines is highly unlikely. But should one ever be discovered in your home or within your possession then you would most likely be charged should this bill become law. Again I'm optimistic it will be struck down, but you never know. Its up to us to pressure the Governor to veto, keep calling and spreading the word.

There would probably not be active confiscation, but who knows how certain towns might approach it (Jersey City for example). 

 

More likely is that if the police catch someone with an illegal magazine through other encounter like  a traffic stop they will inflict maximum punishment to make an example and instill fear into the other owners who are on the fence about complying.  Rest assured you would go to prison for longer than an armed robber or murderer.

Lets put it this way.....

 

I for one, am planning to move.

 

CC wont be in office forever and the SCOTUS are proving to be rabid liberals.

I lost mine during Sandy.

Lets put it this way.....

 

I for one, am planning to move.

 

CC wont be in office forever and the SCOTUS are proving to be rabid liberals.

SCOTUS is useless

I have no idea what I am going to do. I can't move, at least not yet. 

So in theory, one could just keep em as is...since no one has any record? I would never do such a thing, having done everything legally i.e. getting the FID card and handgun permit, but criminals who refuse to comply could one up us law abiding citizens when it comes to firepower...

So in theory, one could just keep em as is...since no one has any record? I would never do such a thing, having done everything legally i.e. getting the FID card and handgun permit, but criminals who refuse to comply could one up us law abiding citizens when it comes to firepower...

 

At present, mine are enjoying a well deserved vacation in my Florida storage locker... Until we meet again!

While some can be altered there aren't enough gunsmiths in the state to perform all the required alterations in less than a century.  Walking into a police station with a 15 round magazine will probably get you arrested because the cops generally don't have a clue of what they are supposed to do.  That leaves moving them out of state, or selling them out of state, as the only practical way of getting rid of them.

 

I'll box mine up and give them to relatives who live in free states.

As others have said, you will have 180 days to bring the magazines into compliance or get rid of them. 

 

What will actually happen is another story. I suspect most people will simply do nothing. Some will actively not comply and say, "come and take them."

I live on the water here in ocean county. Super storm Sandy was very bad.  It was a tragic event to say the least. 

Hi All,

 

Been reading about this measure that's now on Gov CC's desk to sign or veto. Just wondering, to those who have more knowledge in the matter, will we need to turn in all of our 15 round magazines or get them altered? Can the state police just enter our house and arrest us if we don't turn them in or get them altered? Thanks in advance...

 

 

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I have a bad feeling Christie will let it sit and pass due to his inaction.

 

He is in such bad shape politically due to the investigations, budget forecast misses, credit downgrades, and other scandals he is going to use this to make a deal with the Senate democrats, namely Steve Sweeney for some leeway in other areas. 

Hey Fallen Knight: You're just reading about the measure now, but have you communicated with your state representatives about it? Get involved. Do you know who they are? Did you know how they voted on the issue? Did you vote in last nights Primaries?

 

Edit: sorry if the above sounded personal. Not meant to be. I just get annoyed when i read anything that seems like people are unaware until after-the-fact. And then it's too late. You just wanted clarity on a law and i went off on a tangent.

Let's hope CC vetoes it...but politicians have neither faith not morals...so I'm not too optimistic. Barms, it's all good, you bring up a solid point, I should get involved and vote. Definitely will do as soon as my move is over and everything has been unpacked.

 

 

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Let's hope CC vetoes it...but politicians have neither faith not morals...so I'm not too optimistic. Barms, it's all good, you bring up a solid point, I should get involved and vote. Definitely will do as soon as my move is over and everything has been unpacked.

 

 

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Every good gun owner should vote, otherwise you get laws like what we have here. If you enjoy being a gun owner in NJ two things that go hand in hand is a FIDcard and a voter registration card.

Let's hope CC vetoes it...but politicians have neither faith not morals...so I'm not too optimistic. Barms, it's all good, you bring up a solid point, I should get involved and vote. Definitely will do as soon as my move is over and everything has been unpacked.

 

 

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Just to make it easy for you:

 

http://www.state.nj.us/state/elections/form_pdf/voter-regis-forms/essex-voter-reg-form-062212.pdf

 

Postage is already paid. You just fill in the answers in the .pdf, print it out, fold and tape, drop it in your mailbox.

As others have said, you will have 180 days to bring the magazines into compliance or get rid of them. 

 

What will actually happen is another story. I suspect most people will simply do nothing. Some will actively not comply and say, "come and take them."

SSDD after the Florio ban. Compliance is believed to have been 4/10 of 1%.

SSDD after the Florio ban. Compliance is believed to have been 4/10 of 1%.

 

It would seem that the greater impact would be that the few merchants that still sell 15 rounders to NJ residents will no longer sell them.

That's why I bought a lifetime supply of magazines when I bought my P30s.  Once they are about to become illegal it will be too late. If Christie vetoes this year I suggest you do the same.  This will keep coming back until it passes.

Just to make it easy for you:

 

http://www.state.nj.us/state/elections/form_pdf/voter-regis-forms/essex-voter-reg-form-062212.pdf

 

Postage is already paid. You just fill in the answers in the .pdf, print it out, fold and tape, drop it in your mailbox.

Really you should post the link for "vote by mail". Just imagine of all the gun owners voted by mail and assured maximum turnout the results would be different. I do vote by mail

Lets put it this way.....

 

I for one, am planning to move.

 

CC wont be in office forever and the SCOTUS are proving to be rabid liberals.

 

I made that decision 4 years ago this week. After 43 years of watching NJ heading slowly towards stricter gun control, I told the wife to put the house up for sale and 7 months later we found ourselves in Florida where they did not even back down when the rest of the country and every anti gun and civil rights group was screaming for the revocation of our Stand Your Ground law.

 

If you do move to a gun friendly State, and be careful because a gun friendly State this year may not be after the next round of State elections. The two things that stand out the most from my 40+ years in NJ and my 4 years in Florida are:

 

Florida is offensive when it comes to gun laws. NJ is defensive. We spend our time trying to push through more gun friendly laws. NJ spends its time trying to defeat or lessen anti gun laws.

 

In NJ, I rarely talked guns outside of the gun club. I kept quiet about my guns. In Florida, the anti gun people are the ones who keep quiet or suffer a rain of condemnation.

 

It took 4 decades to realize the direction that NJ was slowly headed when it came to guns and it is not a good direction.

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In NJ, I rarely talked guns outside of the gun club. I kept quiet about my guns. In Florida, the anti gun people are the ones who keep quiet or suffer a rain of condemnation.

 

 

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In NJ, I rarely talked guns outside of the gun club. I kept quiet about my guns. In Florida, the anti gun people are the ones who keep quiet or suffer a rain of condemnation.

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That is awesome!!

 

 

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In NJ, I rarely talked guns outside of the gun club. I kept quiet about my guns. In Florida, the anti gun people are the ones who keep quiet or suffer a rain of condemnation.

 

It took 4 decades to realize the direction that NJ was slowly headed when it came to guns and it is not a good direction.

 

During my recent visit to Florida, this past month, I had the privilege of being invited to shoot on an outdoor range on a family's private compound. I was gobsmacked about how nonchalant the family was about  letting me shoot on their land. It was an open field that backed into a set of woods. The target structures were in front of the wooded area. There were three occupied houses on the compound, plus one available for rent (not occupied at the time). None were in the firing line of the target structure, but were within "listening distance." There were also several neighbor's houses within listening distance of the range/compound.

 

The friend who invited me had me follow him out to the compound (I had never been on it before).  He passed his father driving away from it, stopped, and quickly asked him if I could shoot on their range. They talked for like 20 seconds, and then the father drove away in the other direction... just a hand wave to me. We continued into the compound. There were a couple of huge dogs on the compound (one a great dane). My friend goes into his sister's  house (the primary resident on the compound), and quickly says "Hey, my friend's gonna shoot on the range a bit..."  The sister replies, "Oh... OK, nice to meet you... Hey, you know we should get <insert name> to come and mow that range... nobody's shot on it since last Thanksgiving!"  And off we walked onto the range itself. My friend shows me the range, and then says, "OK catch you later... gotta go run some errands..." and leaves me to have at it!.  There I was, out there by myself, shooting on a private range on someone's land that I had met only 5 minutes beforehand. The only  one's that seem to raise any concern was the great dane and his companion... and even they stopped barking after about 20 minutes. 

 

After I finished (about 40min. later), I packed up everything, policed as much brass as I could (difficult in the thick hay grass), and then started to drive up to the front of the compound. I discovered that all of the family had left the compound to do errands (except for the great dane and companion).  They had left me there on my own!  I was blown away. I absolutely could never imagine this happening anywhere on NJ property for sure!!!  I'd be signing all kinds of waivers, etc.  None of the neighbors were in sight! Absolutely nobody cared that there were shots being fired within proximity to their houses.  Inconceivable in NJ!  I'm sure the po-po would be all over that land within minutes of those shots being heard.

 

Just goes to show us what it's really like in the free world.

 

That's why I bought a lifetime supply of magazines when I bought my P30s.  Once they are about to become illegal it will be too late. If Christie vetoes this year I suggest you do the same.  This will keep coming back until it passes.

When Christie leaves if Sweeney gets in we will definitely have the 10 round limit.  If Fulop gets elected, prepare yourself for the 5 round bill to go through the system.

i dont think we will see 5 rounds.... 7 sounds more like it

i dont think we will see 5 rounds.... 7 sounds more like it

They're pushing hard in the news today how that shooter yesterday was tackled when his 5 round shotgun was being reloaded.  I wouldn't be surprised to see that as justification that 5 rounds is the new new new magic number.