I have about 4,000 rounds of various .22 lr to trade. Just posted it to Armslist, and will post it here as well.

 

Before I do that: Many of the rounds are hollow points. Can I just meet someone in the parking lot of a Mc Donald's and make the trade? It would seem that it would have to occur at an exempt location. Which is why I stated that in my ad. I suggested meeting at the range. Would hate to spend 40,000 years in jail staring at pictures of Sweet Loretta W.

 

Am I correct? This is my Armslist ad:

 

I have approximately 4,000 rounds of various bulk .22lr to trade. I can provide specs.

I'm mostly looking for ammo (.38 sp, 9x18, .380, .357 mag). I will also consider trading for an upper-end air rifle, plus or minus cash. I prefer to meet at Cherry Ridge but in any case it will be face to face at some exempt location as many of the .22s are hollow point.

HPs are legal in NJ and as long as you have your FID you should be ok.  I could be wrong lol.

Based on the number of people prosecuted (zero) for trading hollowpoint ammunition at a non-exempt location I wouldn't think there was much to worry about. However I agree with you that the trade be done at an exempt location to fit the letter of the law.

I do know someone who was charged locally to me for loose HP 22lr ammo in his beater truck after a traffic stop. Don't know what happened tho, but I think he got some kind of fine. Lame that 22's are punishable. Actually its all lame

HPs are legal in NJ and as long as you have your FID you should be ok.  I could be wrong lol.

 

HPs are illegal.

However, they can be possessed, transported and used subject to the same exemptions as handguns- i.e. Possessed at residence, busness, land possessed and/or approved range. Transported from place of purchase residence, etc. to approved range.  

 

Based on the number of people prosecuted (zero) for trading hollowpoint ammunition at a non-exempt location I wouldn't think there was much to worry about. However I agree with you that the trade be done at an exempt location to fit the letter of the law.

 

Yup. Probably not a problem.

 

Unless it is.

 

Also, given the scarcity of .22s and the desperation of .22lr shooters, I'd only make that trade somewhere that I could be strapped.

Hollowpoints can be legal or illegal depending on where they are possessed. Legal in NJ for you to walk around with a pair of nickel plated Colt SAAs in a double holster rig in your house. Not so if you do the same at your local supermarket.

The buyer can buy them and bring them home from where they buy them.

 

But you can't legally take them anywhere from your home other than directly to the range without committing a felony.

 

Meeting halfway is a bad idea. 

I do know someone who was charged locally to me for loose HP 22lr ammo in his beater truck after a traffic stop. Don't know what happened tho, but I think he got some kind of fine. Lame that 22's are punishable. Actually its all lame

Does this person's father own a car dealership?

HPs are illegal.

However, they can be possessed, transported and used subject to the same exemptions as handguns- i.e. Possessed at residence, busness, land possessed and/or approved range. Transported from place of purchase residence, etc. to approved range.

 

 

Yup. Probably not a problem.

 

Unless it is.

 

Also, given the scarcity of .22s and the desperation of .22lr shooters, I'd only make that trade somewhere that I could be strapped.

Hollow points are not illegal.

I would go to a range and make the trade there. McDonald's? You will most likely get away with it but that doesn't make it any less legal.

Just trade the goddam things, stop worrying so much

We live in a f'ed up state.

So in other words nobody knows WTF is going on. Yes/no, illegal, legal.

 

If you want those 4k rounds meet me at Cherry Ridge or I'll just push them through my three .22 caliber guns.

 

I bought CC a big fat sausage sandwich today, dripping with butter and bacon. He drooled all over my t-shirt. Go ahead and pull this post. 

Just trade the goddam things, stop worrying so much

Exactly lol

So in other words nobody knows WTF is going on. Yes/no, illegal, legal.

 

If you want those 4k rounds meet me at Cherry Ridge or I'll just push them through my three .22 caliber guns.

 

I bought CC a big fat sausage sandwich today, dripping with butter and bacon. He drooled all over my t-shirt. Go ahead and pull this post. 

There you go!  And its legal... DSG sells hollow points all day long!

So in other words nobody knows WTF is going on. Yes/no, illegal, legal.

 

If you want those 4k rounds meet me at Cherry Ridge or I'll just push them through my three .22 caliber guns.

 

I bought CC a big fat sausage sandwich today, dripping with butter and bacon. He drooled all over my t-shirt. Go ahead and pull this post.

I'll buy them from you if your willing to sell some. I can drive all the way to Vernon but that sucks for me to basically drive past Newton to get there. I would be willing to meet at Simon Peter? Or we can meet at RTSP I will even guest you in on me for a port if you would be willing?

You could also just sell them, and ship them via UPS, or Fedex, then utilize that cash to purchase ammo.

Hollow points are not illegal.

Hollow points, just like all firearms in NJ ARE ILLEGAL. They are only not illegal when they fall under the "Exceptions"

Hollow points, just like all firearms in NJ ARE ILLEGAL. They are only not illegal when they fall under the "Exceptions"

 

Correct.  By default illegal unless you are in very narrow exceptions.

 

And the exceptions for hollow points are even narrower than for a handgun.  You can legally bring them from the store to your house, and from your house to the range, but you can't bring them back from the range.

 

That's the law.  How it is enforced is, of course, another issue.  But that is the literal law.

 

Advertising that you are going to meet someone halfway to sell HP ammo is essentially advertising to the police that you'd like to set up a felony collar for them.  A policeman could arrange to meet you halfway and simply arrest you.  Please be careful.

Thanks for the input.

 

After considering the (sometimes contradictory) advice I've decided just to shoot it. 

Correct.  By default illegal unless you are in very narrow exceptions.

 

And the exceptions for hollow points are even narrower than for a handgun.  You can legally bring them from the store to your house, and from your house to the range, but you can't bring them back from the range.

 

I know it's been posted before, but could someone cite the law or provide a link to the relevant statute?

Your also allowed to posses hollow point ammunition for hunting. I am a licensed Hunter and its ground hog season, .22lr ammo is approved & legal to hunt groundhog with. If stopped I'm on my way to or from hunting, pretty simple for me to fall into that exemption. I'm not really worried about that.

http://www.njsp.org/about/fire_hollow.html

" The course of travel should be as direct as possible when going to and leaving from the target range "

I know it's been posted before, but could someone cite the law or provide a link to the relevant statute?

 

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NJS 2C:39-3f

Any person, other than persons engaged in activities pursuant to subsection f. of N.J.S.2C:39-6, who knowingly has in his possession any hollow nose bullet, is guilty of a crime of the fourth degree.

NJS 2C:39-6f(3)(b)

Directly to or from any target range, or other authorized place for the purpose of practice.

PLEASE END THIS THREAD!!!!     AS HAS BEEN STATED THEY ARE ILLEGAL IN THE STATE EXCEPT BY SPECIFIC EXEMPTION.  Micky D's is not one of those!!!

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NJS 2C:39-6f(3)(b)

Directly to or from any target range, or other authorized place for the purpose of practice.

 

So the poster (Kman) who said they are legal to bring TO the range, but not FROM the range, is mistaken. That's the part I was questioning. 

I just looked it up and you are right!  To and from the range is OK.

 

And what pisses me off is the last time I looked it up, I looked very hard and found the opposite, that only to the range was covered.

 

These laws are maddening.

I just looked it up and you are right!  To and from the range is OK.

 

And what pisses me off is the last time I looked it up, I looked very hard and found the opposite, that only to the range was covered.

 

These laws are maddening.

Don't feel so bad. We're in a tough spot balancing insane legalisms with common sense (with very few overlaps). You're not the first poster who's written that we can go "to" but not "from."

 

I attended Catholic school until age 18. We used to debate various biblical commands and prohibitions. One teacher told us, "thank God we're not Jewish. Their scholars still argue whether, if a married man fixing his roof has a heart attack and in the act of falling 'penetrates' a woman, she has committed adultery."

 

It's the same here. We yell and scream at each other over the rules, mandatory prison sentences, etc. It's not our fault. The problem lies in bogus laws for acts that have no legal consequence almost anywhere else in the USA.

I'll give you $150 in PA if it's not garbage, to be determined and agreed in advance. I know you are not a slimeball and can seal the deal based on an online discussion. I'll even throw in a 30 round AR mag

I'll give you $150 in PA if it's not garbage, to be determined and agreed in advance. I know you are not a slimeball and can seal the deal based on an online discussion. I'll even throw in a 30 round AR mag

Depending on how you do the accounting, I paid 4-9 cents/round. 

 

I wanted to trade only because I'm tired of comments from UPS/Fedex guys. 

 

I'd rather shoot it. Won't last through August