UPDATE

 

Things are getting interesting with my inquiry about my recent order with PSA.  Long story short.  They refuse to ship my order until I send them a copy of my FID.  Since I have not ordered any pistol caliber ammo, there is no need for me to send it.  However, I suspect that they want it because I ordered .22LR.  I can only suspect that, because they will not tell me what item in my order has prompted them to ask for my FID after repeated requests for them to do so.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong but.  LR does stand for long rifle and .22LR can be purchased without having to hand over a FID to comply with handgun ammo purchases.  Has anyone here ever had to hand over a FID in NJ to buy .22LR?

 

 

They are only shipping a handful of ammo to a handful of anti states, easiest just to go with the most conservative policy than try to figure out all the eccentricities and keep up with the changes.

That's fine.... but they've been known to sit on orders rather than ask you for your ffl. But how ignorant are they when they have it already in their possession and then send you some lame request for it. Tells me they don't bother looking at the order. No different when they asked me for an FFL to send my guns order out when all I did is order a couple 1911 mags.

Their is not excuse. PERIOD! They are terrible with their business and if people continue to let their strategy continue, it will never get better.

It's a shame because I like what they have mostly, but it's not worth it.

 

My understanding is if the ammo can be chambered in a handgun, a FID is required.  22LR fits that requirement.

Finally PSA has given me a specific reason.  It's the .22LR. 

 

Unfortunately sir, because the .22LR can fit into certain handguns we require a copy of your FID to be on file.

 

 

 

Here is my reply.  We'll see how it works out.

 

 

Kayleigh,
 

Thank you again for your quick response.  .22LR does not fall under NJ state regulations as handgun ammo.  Please refer to the following NJ statute. 

2C:58-3.3. "Handgun ammunition" defined; sale, purchase, etc., regulated; violation, fourth degree crime.

     1. a. As used in this act, "handgun ammunition" means ammunition specifically designed to be used only in a handgun. "Handgun ammunition" shall not include blank ammunition, air gun pellets, flare gun ammunition, nail gun ammunition, paint ball ammunition, or any non-fixed ammunition.
 

As you can see the statute only regulates ammo specifically designed for handguns and specifically excludes calibers that can be used in both rifle and pistol.  For example.  .223 can be used in an AR pistol platform, .308 can be used in handguns such as a Thompson Center Arms and a variety of other rifle caliber cartridges can be used in  many pistol type firearms. 
 

I can appreciate PSA's caution (especially when doing business with NJ) but rest assured, .22 Long Rifle is not designed specifically as handgun ammo and can be shipped to NJ.  I think Long Rifle pretty much indicates the specific design and purpose of this ammo by name.  Honestly, I have no problem with providing a copy of my FID when it is required.  If I was ordering 9mm handgun ammo I would have made all of the necessary arrangements with PSA without hesitation.   But, as a matter of principle, I am not eager to send a copy of my FID to anyone unless it is absolutely required by NJ state law.
 

I sincerely hope that PSA will review this policy regarding .22LR ammo.  It is doubtful that we will be able to reach agreement on this matter though.  If PSA will not ship the .22LR to me without a copy of my FID we will have to do one of two things.  1) Remove the .22LR from my order and process the remaining items.  2) Cancel the entire order.  I suppose there is a third option.  PSA can recognize that legally there is no requirement to provide a FID for .22LR and ship the entire order.
 

Given the three options above, please advise me as to how PSA would like to proceed in resolving this order.
 

Thank you.

 

More for me!

 

 

Finally PSA has given me a specific reason. It's the .22LR.

 

 

 

Here is my reply. We'll see how it works out.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I hate to break it you, but .22lr requires a FPID card in NJ. Although it is designated .22 "long rifle" it is probably more widely used in handguns.

This experiment has reached it's conclusion.
 

 

I am sorry sir but we require it according to our company policy. If you are not willing to send your FID card, then we will gladly refund the .22LR ammunition and ship the rest of your order. Please let me know how you would like to proceed with your order.

 

 

Thank you,

 

 

So there you have it.  It is PSA's company policy to categorize rifle ammo as handgun ammo.  Well, I canceled the .22LR from my order and instructed them to send the rest of the order.

 

 

Kayleigh,
 

Please remove the .22LR from my order and process the remaining items without delay.  I would hope that PSA will expedite this order as I was only made aware of the problem about shipping .22LR as a result of my initiating an inquiry.  While I do not agree with PSA's policy regarding .22LR, I have to respect it.  But it would have been appropriate and professional for PSA to have informed me at the time the order was placed that an additional condition to provide my FID was required when ordering .22LR.
 

Thank you for attending to this matter.

 

 

Hopefully there won't be any more nonsense with the order.  Honestly, I'm more pissed that they did not make it clear from the get go that they required my FID for .22LR, than the stupid company policy itself.  I only found out that they would not ship my order after I contacted THEM nearly two weeks had passed from the date the order was placed.

 

I have found the names of the three owners and am in the process of writing a letter to them.  All in all I like PSA, even if they are slow and obtuse.  Maybe making an appeal to the top brass will effect a positive change in their attitude in doing business with NJ.

 

I hate to break it you, but .22lr requires a FPID card in NJ. Although it is designated .22 "long rifle" it is probably more widely used in handguns.

 

"ammunition specifically designed to be used only in a handgun. "

 

What part of this is unclear?

So then go shop somewhere that doesn't require it to be sold. And do us all a favor and let us know what shop it is.

I got my upper coming tomorrow from them took 2 weeks but at their prices I'll wait. They charged me shipping when I finally got through to customer service they refunded it. I've never had an issue with them except calling customer service

"ammunition specifically designed to be used only in a handgun. "

 

What part of this is unclear?

I could be wrong on this but I thought there was a stipulation to that saying, any caliber commonly in use in a handgun would also be considered handgun ammo. I remember when someone came out with the idea of a .223 handgun and everyone got their panties twisted because if it went into major production it would then make .223 a handgun caliber.

I could be wrong on this but I thought there was a stipulation to that saying, any caliber commonly in use in a handgun would also be considered handgun ammo. I remember when someone came out with the idea of a .223 handgun and everyone got their panties twisted because if it went into major production it would then make .223 a handgun caliber.

That was a long time ago. And it is therefore considered a handgun cartridge by ATF, along with 7.62x39 and .308. Thus the restrictions on AP in these loadings.