Thats why you hardly, if ever, hear any of Antis say they are against Constitution or against 2nd Amendment.  They always proclaim they fully support Constitution, are in favor of Second Amendment........... Every judicial ruling always includes verbiage around how they "love" Constitution and then turns around claims 2A is reserved for someone other than normal joe or only at home or...whatever.. 

 

Remember, even Nazi's claimed their love for their country, constitution, how they are "duty bound" to eliminate "criminals" and "low lifes" off the society for "larger benefit of People". All the while making so called laws that would criminalize and marginalize any population that doesn't fit the agenda. 

 

And thats exactly whats happening here. 

doesn't matter what their words say. what matters is their actions. dude's onto something with his idea of charging them.

I think its way beyond time we start using every law on the books to start fighting back,   For example on STS33 application do questions 21,  25,  and 26 violate the ADA (American with Disabilities Act)  If any of these questions were on a job application I think it would be considered a violation.    Since question 26 compels you surrender your 4th and 5th amendments in order to "obtain" a right is that a violation of some law?    The mental health consent form,   requiring you to surrender your HIPPA** rights in order to "obtain" your constitutional rights?    **  The mental health form might need some clarification from an attorney,   The paragraph "I, __________________________________________________ am aware of my rights under N.J.S.A. 30:4-24.3, and the
Health Insurance Portability and Insurance Accountability Act (HIPAA), 45 C.F.R. 164.50, and consent to the disclosure of
my mental health records to the Chief of Police and the Superintendent of State Police, or their designees, for the purpose of
verifying my fi rearms permit application and my fi t ness to own a fi re arm under N.J.S.A. 2C:58-3. I understand that copies
of this authorization shall be considered sufficient authorization for the release of records.   The way I understand that paragraph is that I consent to a search of any confinement to a Non-Correctional institute as listed under title 30,   NOT a universal waiver of any medical records..   I think that PD's are using this consent as a blanket waiver which I think they should not be.

 

  Its time to start acting like a colony of red fire ants towards the Fifth columnists that have infested the State House in NJ.

 

  Anyway the Politicians in conjunction with their lawyers are probably planning their next move in the event that the courts hear this case. So hopefully Dwight and Nick are planning 10 steps ahead.

I think its way beyond time we start using every law on the books to start fighting back,   For example on STS33 application do questions 21,  25,  and 26 violate the ADA (American with Disabilities Act)  If any of these questions were on a job application I think it would be considered a violation.    Since question 26 compels you surrender your 4th and 5th amendments in order to "obtain" a right is that a violation of some law?    The mental health consent form,   requiring you to surrender your HIPPA** rights in order to "obtain" your constitutional rights?    ...

 

  Its time to start acting like a colony of red fire ants towards the Fifth columnists that have infested the State House in NJ.

 

  Anyway the Politicians in conjunction with their lawyers are probably planning their next move in the event that the courts hear this case. So hopefully Dwight and Nick are planning 10 steps ahead.

 

If you're going to do that, then I'd be prepared to take it all the way to SCOTUS. And, be prepared to challenge some of the basic NJ State Laws regarding firearms. I can see the authorities lining up and responding to any legal challenges by saying, "There is no state RKBA in NJ".It's totally at our discretion. So do you want a gun or not?" You have to be ready to demonstrate to the satisfaction of the federal court system and/or SCOTUS that  NJ law violates federal laws and/or 2A.

 

Good luck with that....

you mean our illegal laws? according to the wording of the statutes, firearms are illegal with exceptions and exemptions. that goes directly against the constitution. and i believe there's something somewhere that makes it illegal to pass laws that are against the constitution?

you mean our illegal laws? according to the wording of the statutes, firearms are illegal with exceptions and exemptions. that goes directly against the constitution. and i believe there's something somewhere that makes it illegal to pass laws that are against the constitution?

 

Correct.  And they (anti's in NJ Govt.) are counting on no one having the time, resources and/or $$$ to challenge them in federal courts, or the political clout to get the legislators voted out of office.  Maybe it's what's needed but it will be a Herculean effort!

Correct.  And they (anti's in NJ Govt.) are counting on no one having the time, resources and/or $$$ to challenge them in federal courts, or the political clout to get the legislators voted out of office.  Maybe it's what's needed but it will be Herculean effort!

it would be. they'/re right though. who here has the money/time to take them on? we have lawyers amongst us that might be able to......but i doubt they will.

Doubt it too

Hi All,

As promised here is the latest on the Brief.

Dwight

 

WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 4, 2015 - Since our last update Nick has called the Court on several occasions requesting the status of the ruling on the three Motions before the Court. Also, during those calls he asked for confirmation on the Letters Of Record which were recently sent to Judge Shipp.  The court clerk claimed they did not get the latest one Oral Argument Letter of October 29,2015.  This is peculiar because this letter was sent to them US POstal Service High Priority.  That letter is just one of many we have sent to the Judge.  As of this date not one of them has been answered.

 

​As a result it was decided to write yet another letter to Judge Shipp with two objectives.  One is to ask him why he has not responded or requested that the Court Clerk respond to Nick's letters.  The second purpose is to provide US Supreme Court statements and rulings concerning the pro se filings in the Federal Court System.  As you know, it is our  belief  that the delay in rulings may be because either the Court or the Defendants (or both in cahoots- which would be a violation of law) are searching for some technicality that would give the Defendants an out without having to provide a defense for their unconstitutional actions.  See that letter here >>  Letter to Shipp - November (2) 

 

Since the Court Clerk seems to have a difficult time getting to the US Mail INBOX, on this day Wednesday, November 4, 2015  Mr. Purpura made yet another trip to Trenton.  He hand delivered the October letter and this latest one Letter to Shipp-November.  He got a date and time stamp for each from the Court Clerk.

 

Nick has decided that the things going on at that office are pushing the envelope of legality and he is considering requesting an investigation into their activities.  We will keep this log advised as to the nature and procedure of that endeavor.

Thanks for the update.

You guys are the best hope we have in NJ to correct the wrongs that the government has forced upon us.

Thanks for the update

Thank you for not giving up !

Thank you for not giving up !

 

Seconded!  Sounds like they are just hoping that the whole thing will go away, but apparently they don't realize who they are dealing with.  

Hi All,

As promised here is the latest on the Brief.

Dwight

 

WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 4, 2015 - Since our last update Nick has called the Court on several occasions requesting the status of the ruling on the three Motions before the Court. Also, during those calls he asked for confirmation on the Letters Of Record which were recently sent to Judge Shipp.  The court clerk claimed they did not get the latest one Oral Argument Letter of October 29,2015.  This is peculiar because this letter was sent to them US POstal Service High Priority.  That letter is just one of many we have sent to the Judge.  As of this date not one of them has been answered.

 

​As a result it was decided to write yet another letter to Judge Shipp with two objectives.  One is to ask him why he has not responded or requested that the Court Clerk respond to Nick's letters.  The second purpose is to provide US Supreme Court statements and rulings concerning the pro se filings in the Federal Court System.  As you know, it is our  belief  that the delay in rulings may be because either the Court or the Defendants (or both in cahoots- which would be a violation of law) are searching for some technicality that would give the Defendants an out without having to provide a defense for their unconstitutional actions.  See that letter here >>  Letter to Shipp - November (2) 

 

Since the Court Clerk seems to have a difficult time getting to the US Mail INBOX, on this day Wednesday, November 4, 2015  Mr. Purpura made yet another trip to Trenton.  He hand delivered the October letter and this latest one Letter to Shipp-November.  He got a date and time stamp for each from the Court Clerk.

 

Nick has decided that the things going on at that office are pushing the envelope of legality and he is considering requesting an investigation into their activities.  We will keep this log advised as to the nature and procedure of that endeavor.

thanks for keeping us up to date, and thanks for being the pit bull that won't let em get away man.

This is crazy. Over a month has passed and no decision? I think Nick is onto something big here. I am excited. Time to donate a few bucks. Anyone able to match me?

 

Happy Veterans Day to all you present and ex service men.

Hey All,

Nick and I took a major step yesterday concerning the ongoing delays and possible collusion between the Defense Counsel and the Court Clerk.

I can't tell you what it is just yet because it needs to fly under the radar until the ball gets rolling on what we have done.

 

In several days I will announce it and will post the documents associated with it. 

 A little hint:  Federal Courts operate under a code that, if crossed, steps MUST be taken.

 

And, as you can imagine, the search for some way for the court to dismiss this case is still ongoing.  This delay is actually and probably good news and Nick tells me that their search will most likely be fruitless.  That is not to say that they will not come up with something, both weak and far fetched.

 

When and if that does occur the SAPPA Group will move into the next step of our long term plan.  We have been convinced now that the local or national news media will continue to ignore this case and that is of course what the defense needs and desires.  To combat this it will be our intention to buy ads on local stations and even newspapers describing what the SAPPA Group is doing.  This will have some fairly heavy costs but it may be the one way we can get this ball rolling in the media.  

 

We have not solicited financial help so far but that might change if we do decide to run some ads.  We are not asking for donations as of now. Heck we may even win this case on the grounds that the defense violated federal rules.  That would allow the Judge to move on and give this headache to some other jurist.  That would be the 3rd Circuit.

 

Okay all, that's the latest.  Stay tuned for the update concerning our latest effort.  Any day now we will be able to describe it.

 

Thanks again for all the moral  support this forum has give us.  Nick and I could never be able to thank you enough.

 

Regards,

Dwight 

Puts a smile on my face thinking the defense is getting their shorts bunched up lol. Will contribute when/if needed.

To send in a check do I use Nicks home address and who do I make it out to.     The SAPPA site only seems to give donation information if you are using some kind of electronic transfer.

Its us that need to thank you. Please let us know when you will be seeking contributions.

Thanks for the update. I would be happy to donate to this.

Thanks again for all the moral support this forum has give us. Nick and I could never be able to thank you enough.

 

Regards,

Dwight

 

It is Nick and yourself that deserve a heartfelt Thank You from anyone that believes in The Constitution and American Rights, such as myself. Timely news as we officially recognize those brave men and women who fought and continue to fight to keep us free.

 

Nick and Dwight, THANK YOU both for your work!

 

All Veterans and Active Duty, THANK YOU ALL FOR MY FREEDOM!!!

THE more i hear from you guys, the more i think that THIS is a thousand times more effective path than what others are doing. thanks for doing this, and please keep us up to date. i ain't got a lot of money, but i'm in for the ads. media is gonna turn out to be your best weapon if it has to go to that point.

Thanks Everyone,

If the ad thing goes off, we'll let you know where to send contributions.

So hold off until we get it worked out.

 

Thanks,

Dwight

n

Nick

I'm wondering if it would also help for us to write contact the NRA as members, requesting they help.  I'm aware the NRA was notified of this, but maybe some prodding by members will help get them off their butts?  Are there other groups we could include?

I'm wondering if it would also help for us to write contact the NRA as members, requesting they help. I'm aware the NRA was notified of this, but maybe some prodding by members will help get them off their butts? Are there other groups we could include?

They normally don't jump in until the end so they can claim credit.

I have been aware of this effort for quite some time. Wasn't sure in the beginning what to make of it. However I have come to realize the significance of it and wanted to chime in and thank you gentlemen for all your efforts. I too would be willing to donate.

Regards

I have been aware of this effort for quite some time. Wasn't sure in the beginning what to make of it. However I have come to realize the significance of it and wanted to chime in and thank you gentlemen for all your efforts. I too would be willing to donate.

Regards

As would I !!!

They normally don't jump in until the end so they can claim credit.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed this.

 

Would be better off contacting SAF.

They normally don't jump in until the end so they can claim credit.

 

Absolutely true.

Hi Everyone,

The answer to the question as to if it would help for individual members of the NRA or any Second Amendment organization, is YES!

 

As some of you know Nick and I are members of the CJR&P (Nick for many years more than I).  Nick is a regular speaker at the monthly meetings and provides an update to the members.  President John Scott did all he could do relating to the NRA by writing a personal letter to them.  They did respond but refused to get involved.  They handed John some legal BS about getting involved with a Pro Se (Non attorney) But NIck and I think it goes much deeper than that.

 

When SAPPA contacted them close to a year ago, they didn't even give us the courtesy of a response. Keep in mind both John's letter and ours did not ask for money.  In fact we stated clearly the SAPPA Group only wanted the NRA to help get this lawsuit some publicity. 

 

What Nick thinks, and I agree, the NRA has a fabulous cash cow with dollars flowing in everyday.  It might be that if this Purpura v. Christie et al lawsuit is successful the Federal Ruling which would cover not just NJ, but every state in the Union, some of that cash might just dry up.

 

When the SAPPA Group gives presentations to groups, we generally cover this topic by equating it to what would happen if a scientist notified the press on a Friday evening that on the following Monday he would announce a complete cure for every known type of cancer.  This fine scientist would not live to see Saturday morning.

 

But having said that, any contact by members of any club or organization would help.  The SAPPA Group has already sent over 20 letters to NJ and National gun Clubs.  We have received modest support from a few in terms of "atta boys, go get em".  But that's about it.  NJ2AS did put a notice of our suit in one of their Bulletins. 

 

The SAPPA Group will travel anywhere to give a presentation to organizations or groups. (We have been doing this for over a year now) So if anyone belongs to a group that might be interested, let us know.  We never charge a fee. We only require that we be allowed to start our presentation prior to all other club agenda.  We have found that if members have to sit through an hour or more of club business most of them, by the time our presentation starts, are looking for the door instead asking questions.  Our presentation takes about 20 minutes and depending on how interested the group is the Q&A could go longer.

 

Thanks again,

Dwight

and

Nick