I was planning to stay out of this discussion until gloating time, and then try to be gracious although it is against my nature. The late, great Dr. Peter Stopa, the 400 lb. lifeguard who swam in 43 degree water with his huge ass in the air, summed it up perfectly: "I hate to say I told you so, but I told you so."

 

I wish you luck but as I've stated many times I do not bet on super-long shots. Even with the right odds the oddities of the odds make it a gamble.

 

But really guys, you put on those tee-shirts and went door to door? You were recorded on camera calling him a "union thug"? Do you realize that there are cops, teachers, etc. who belong to unions that you have to convince to vote against a "union thug"??

 

I am as anti-union as anybody but I know that when I need to convince my wife (a teacher) of something the union thing is off the table.

 

As I said I wish you luck but please use your brains.

I don't think it's any secret that NJ2AS is behind the recall. It's been reported that all along.

 

Guns are just one issue among many why people are fed up.

Among my talking points was Sweeney's "opposition to the right to self defense", which I think is pretty clear as to what I'm getting at. I actually had one guy who said he didn't care about taxes and common core, and signed specifically because of my mentioning "self defense".

Perhaps if you had said that u wanted more Kardashian backside on TV they would have signed?

I was planning to stay out of this discussion until gloating time, ...  "I hate to say I told you so, but I told you so."

 

Yeah, couldn't resist could you?  So glad you're here to declare a failure 2 days after the recall effort launches. /sarcasm.

 

May I suggest you put more effort into the RKBA initiatives you agree with and less into spitting venom at the ones you don't?

I was planning to stay out of this discussion until gloating time, and then try to be gracious although it is against my nature. The late, great Dr. Peter Stopa, the 400 lb. lifeguard who swam in 43 degree water with his huge ass in the air, summed it up perfectly: "I hate to say I told you so, but I told you so."

 

I wish you luck but as I've stated many times I do not bet on super-long shots. Even with the right odds the oddities of the odds make it a gamble.

 

But really guys, you put on those tee-shirts and went door to door? You were recorded on camera calling him a "union thug"? Do you realize that there are cops, teachers, etc. who belong to unions that you have to convince to vote against a "union thug"??

 

I am as anti-union as anybody but I know that when I need to convince my wife (a teacher) of something the union thing is off the table.

 

As I said I wish you luck but please use your brains.

 

Some one can correct me if I'm wrong, but Sweeney seems to embrace and be proud of his nickname of "The Union Thug".  He's bragged about it Alex.  He seems to try to use it as an imitation tactic.

 

That doesn't mean we should use it and drag ourselves down to his level of name calling but it speaks volumes to his character that he appears to embrace such a moniker.

Yeah, couldn't resist could you?  So glad you're here to declare a failure 2 days after the recall effort launches. /sarcasm.

 

May I suggest you put more effort into the RKBA initiatives you agree with and less into spitting venom at the ones you don't?

Straight up outta Compton.

 

*drops mic*

Newtonian, your the same person that was disrupting the nj2as meeting in north jersey 2 months ago. With your negativity and bashing

 

for one Sweeney, Proudly calls himself the "union thug", and used the term on many occasions. Alexander was only quoting him.

 

All you do is post racist, disparaging bs all the time on this forum. I have no clue why your bans have been lifted. 

 

I really don't think your a true player in our fight since for the past few years you have done nothing but bash every effort people put forth. EaD

Yeah, couldn't resist could you?  So glad you're here to declare a failure 2 days after the recall effort launches. /sarcasm.

 

May I suggest you put more effort into the RKBA initiatives you agree with and less into spitting venom at the ones you don't?

Where did I declare failure? I don't know how many siggies you have. I hope you got all 40-something-thousand.

West Deptford is hiding stuff. First Opra records are clearly altered

West Deptford is hiding stuff. First Opra records are clearly altered

Details? What is course of action now? I'm no where near as familiar with these things as yourself or others on here.

I wonder though, if the door-to-door re-canvassing effort is now somewhat compromised since the "cat's out of the bag..." (i.e. that it's now public that it was 2A groups organizing this)... It seemed (from these reports) that a good deal of the success was due to no one mentioning that it was a 2A org behind this or bringing 2A up in the discussions (i.e. talk of taxes, and other issues)...  Will the re-canvassing effort (i.e. retrying doors where people were not at home)  be affected?

 

Not that we shouldn't try again, but was just curious...

Perhaps the NJ2AS will look into teaming up with the local Republican Party office to coordinate the efforts. It couldn't hurt.

Newtonian, your the same person that was disrupting the nj2as meeting in north jersey 2 months ago. With your negativity and bashing

 

for one Sweeney, Proudly calls himself the "union thug", and used the term on many occasions. Alexander was only quoting him.

 

All you do is post racist, disparaging bs all the time on this forum. I have no clue why your bans have been lifted. 

 

I really don't think your a true player in our fight since for the past few years you have done nothing but bash every effort people put forth. EaD

Were you at the meeting Oggie? Did you read any of my posts after the meeting, explaining why I interrupted? Or have you over-dosed on the Kool Aid? I interrupted to correct matters of fact. I realized I was out of order, sort of, and apologized. You want me to slit my wrists for correcting the claim that the entire recall process would only take three months?

 

It was not obvious to me that Sweeney referred to himself that way. Nor was it, probably, to most of the people who saw the video. If a black guy refers to himself as a "nigger" as many do would you then call him "Joe the nigger?"

 

Racist? Well there ya go. I used the N-word by way of example. Must be true.

 

If you don't want discussion and criticism then buy yourself a little diary and scribble in there all you want so nobody will see. This is a public forum which when I remember to I support financially but mostly by posting.

 

BTW I was given one warning for making a pun of Frank Lautenberg's name and kicked off for making a similar type of joke about Christie. I might be confusing the order, maybe the Christie incident was first. That was my horrendous crime. 

 

It still amazes how guys with such reverence for the Second Amendment have so little regard for free discourse.

Ok. Thank you for your response We all respect it. Now lets get back the matter at hand. Which is how do we make this happen in less than 150 days.

I think it's all been said, people have to sign in person, so whomever is collecting signatures has to get to the people. I think we have to keep playing to all the non-2A issues that can be attributed as becoming worse u Der sweeney. Remind them that the legislature works for us, is put in office by is and it's our civic duty to let them know they are not happy and fire them when nesscary. (Stroke of genuis....somebody call Trump in!). Being serious again, I think playing to the local/small businesses is key. It would be great to set a both up every weekend at every foodstore, Target, and Wallyworld, but it just won't happen.

 

Ok. Thank you for your response We all respect it. Now lets get back the matter at hand. Which is how do we make this happen in less than 150 days.

Mipa's suggestion was plain common sense. You go where lots of people are actually present, visible, and accessible. Fairs, free outdoor concerts, graduations, farmer's markets (must be a couple in Sweeney's district), shopping malls, baseball stadium parking lots, 4th of July fireworks (hint hint this weekend). Visually profile the people you approach so you don't waste your time. 35 years+, male, white ("what a racist!") is your prime demographic. Only if you need 200 signatures with a week to go and you've run out of options do you knock on doors.

I think it's all been said, people have to sign in person, so whomever is collecting signatures has to get to the people. I think we have to keep playing to all the non-2A issues that can be attributed as becoming worse u Der sweeney. Remind them that the legislature works for us, is put in office by is and it's our civic duty to let them know they are not happy and fire them when nesscary. (Stroke of genuis....somebody call Trump in!). Being serious again, I think playing to the local/small businesses is key. It would be great to set a both up every weekend at every foodstore, Target, and Wallyworld, but it just won't happen.

You don't need to set up a booth. Work the parking lot of the biggest Shop Rite stores in the area, weekend mornings, and focus on older white males.

Here's the main issue I have with setting up a table someplace. How do you confirm that the people signing are both in Sweeney's district and registered to vote? Those are the required criteria for the signature to mean anything to us.

 

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Here's the main issue I have with setting up a table someplace. How do you confirm that the people signing are both in Sweeney's district and registered to vote? Those are the required criteria for the signature to mean anything to us.

 

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We have the list of who is registered and who isn't, that's how we know what doors to knock on. Simply ask them their name. Put all our information we have about every registered voter on a spreadsheet in a tablet. We check they are who they say and on the list. then we ask then their address, which we now have on a screen in front of us. And allow them to sign with confirmation of a correct response. Technology is a wonderful tool.

 

That works fine IF someone has that technology and the time to correlate it. That's more people getting organized at the table and more steps but it's definitely doable.

 

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Let the clerk do it. They won't check names unless the petition is challenged and each name has to be challenged

If they xref names to voters without a challenge, they could be in legal problems

Let the clerk do it. They won't check names unless the petition is challenged and each name has to be challenged

If they xref names to voters without a challenge, they could be in legal problems

IF it's challenged?  You can bet Sweeney is already prepping for it...  Worst thing now would be to underestimate him. 

When is the next "Day Of Action" / signature collection day? I woukd like to invite some friends / family to acompany me and want to.give them a heads up to keep the date clear.

When is the next "Day Of Action" / signature collection day? I woukd like to invite some friends / family ti.accompany me and want to.give them a heads up to keep the date clear.

Is there any downside to freelancing a little when time permits? Serious question, not rhetorical.

 

BTW I think you should try to vet the names to the extent possible. AFTER you get them.

You need to have your signature list notarized that you witnessed each signature and you need to have an official petition for the county you are collecting in with all on the correct signatures including those from NJ government. If we had enough copies of the petition, we could have freelancing with a notary but I don't know how many copies we have.

 

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Nice. Even better, here is their Yelp page to write a review:

 

http://www.yelp.com/biz/total-turf-experience-mantua

 

Bumping this again so people can give a Yelp review

Just out of curiosity, did any of the strategies used in this come from my suggestions? I've been poking around a bit and it seems all my comments in the early stages were utilized. I said to bang on doors and canvass, I said to get ranges and shops involved, people complained they couldn't find out who registered voters were and I pointed out it was public information. And a lot more.

 

Not for bragging rights, it would just be good to know if I contributed something.

Just out of curiosity, did any of the strategies used in this come from my suggestions? I've been poking around a bit and it seems all my comments in the early stages were utilized. I said to bang on doors and canvass, I said to get ranges and shops involved, people complained they couldn't find out who registered voters were and I pointed out it was public information. And a lot more.

 

Not for bragging rights, it would just be good to know if I contributed something.

They used (hopefully still using) data from voter registration. Data includes address, name, age and party affiliation for each registered voter in each household.

 

Check off boxes for appropriate response from knocking. Sheets will be scanned and reprinted minus the people who signed or said no thanks

thanks. I was impressed with the methodology and detaiil. Registered voters are the target audience and they seem to be doing a good job of reaching that audience and making it as efficient as possible.

 

Just waiting on word for next signature collection day so I can clear my schedule and go back down! Has anyone heard of when the next signature drive is?

I heard some chatter about the 18th being another canvas day for the district. I will be away in VT that weekend unfortunately. But Alexander said on GFH radio over the weekend, that there will be many more signature collection days. Including some week day late afternoons in the near future.

Thanks DS. Will listen to the latest GFH Radio.

Link to the Gun For Hire Radio show from 7/3. Only listened to abiug 15 min because I need to get some sleep. They do mention more "micro" drives are coming. Some will be during late afternoon ingo early evening on weekdays in addition to Sataurdays and Sundays.

 

http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php/topic/77401-special-independence-day-edition-of-gun-for-hire-radio/#entry981864