At this point, he needs to test a Glock 17, P320, and PPQ the same way.  Not sure how they would hold up.

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I'm quite surprised.  i would have expected it to do much better than that

I like MAC. But he is being totally ridiculous saying he has to rethink his carry gun. Only thing even partially plausible is dirt getting in. His method of torture by flinging the gun at crap is totally stupid. Not many guns can endure that if any. He mentions maybe getting in a brawl and it's knocked away. Still bullsh!t... It nay drop 5 ft, get hurled, may bounce, but still won't fracture the gun. Poly is a lot more durable than that.

 

I just can't believe him. He's usually pretty fair and sensible.

 

 

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I'm quite surprised. i would have expected it to do much better than that

Really? Come on.

That was over the def of extreme.

It was a stupid test.

 

 

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I think Jon had some issues with his VP9 at the IDPA training thing Stu had... 

I like MAC. But he is being totally ridiculous saying he has to rethink his carry gun. Only thing even partially plausible is dirt getting in. His method of torture by flinging the gun at crap is totally stupid. Not many guns can endure that if any. He mentions maybe getting in a brawl and it's knocked away. Still bullsh!t... It nay drop 5 ft, get hurled, may bounce, but still won't fracture the gun. Poly is a lot more durable than that.

 

I just can't believe him. He's usually pretty fair and sensible.

 

 

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I agree to an extent.  But failing the water and dirt test is unacceptable.  If a Glock can handle those conditions, why can't a VP9?

I think Jon had some issues with his VP9 at the IDPA training thing Stu had...

Still, mac was way overboard. I heard it doesn't like certain ammo. Maybe that was it. I've run ammo through guns I have that puked on certain ammo and all my HKs eat it like its dessert.

 

 

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I agree to an extent. But failing the water and dirt test is unacceptable. If a Glock can handle those conditions, why can't a VP9?

I did mention that could be a problem. Especially with that open area. But the rest? Nah. This gun wasn't made to typical HK standards. Go look at the P30 live fire exercise video. It came out smelling like a rose. Still, the VP is fine for most but don't think special forces will be using it any time soon.

 

 

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Still, mac was way overboard. I heard it doesn't like certain ammo. Maybe that was it. I've run ammo through guns I have that puked on certain ammo and all my HKs eat it like its dessert.

 

 

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Again, while some tests were meh, the mud and water one was pretty mild.  

 

Just because H&K makes a few good guns doesn't mean they can't have some flops in the mix.

Coincidentally, I just picked up a VP9 yesterday, so I haven't had a chance to run it through those tests yet.  I'll get back to you after I get around

to putting it in mud and stuff.

Really? Come on.

That was over the def of extreme.

It was a stupid test.

 

 

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i should clarify.  when he had the problem with that first "puddle" test i was surprised.  I'd assume a "fall test" would be something like dropping on concrete out of your holster when climbing over a wall.  so say drop it from 10' high just to be sure.  throwing at the things was kinda dumb.  

it did look like he was loading the ammo backwards in the magazine.  maybe that was the issue. 

Coincidentally, I just picked up a VP9 yesterday, so I haven't had a chance to run it through those tests yet.  I'll get back to you after I get around

to putting it in mud and stuff.

 

Be careful, don't get it wet... use it in the rain, or anywhere with water!

Yeah throwing it at the targets was......a bit odd.

Throwing guns.. Sounds... Familair.

Throwing guns.. Sounds... Familair.

i thought was jus for clearing jams.....

lol..   

I agree to an extent.  But failing the water and dirt test is unacceptable.  If a Glock can handle those conditions, why can't a VP9?

 

Failing those simple tests are definitely a concern.

The testing was a bit unrealistic IMO

The testing was a bit unrealistic IMO

 

Except for the part where the gun gets wet right?  I dunno how ya'll are glossing over that glaring failure... 

Except for the part where the gun gets wet right?  I dunno how ya'll are glossing over that glaring failure... 

 

You mean when he threw it in the small stream then stepped on it twice? Not a likely scenario in real life, but could also be the ammo causing FTF. I have no idea from personal experience, just throwing it out there.

My sentiments exactly....lol

You mean when he threw it in the small stream then stepped on it twice? Not a likely scenario in real life, but could also be the ammo causing FTF. I have no idea from personal experience, just throwing it out there.

I may have to watch it again, but the first test simply got the gun wet. Then he did a test with dirt and mud. Both instances yielded failure.

 

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I may have to watch it again, but the first test simply got the gun wet. Then he did a test with dirt and mud. Both instances yielded failure.

 

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Both of them he stepped on the gun multiple times. Water test was a little weak with 2 failures I believe. Mud test he caked mud into the gun, so I'm not surprised at the results. He also "washed the gun off" in water and it actually started performing better. So I don't think water is the issue at all, just from my observation of this one video.

Just because H&K makes a few good guns doesn't mean they can't have some flops in the mix.

Like the XM8, the G36, the G11, the (arguably) HK 416....

 

it did look like he was loading the ammo backwards in the magazine. maybe that was the issue.

 

:rofl:

 

Glock Torture test... seems to do quite well.

P320: 

 

 

Doesn't handle the mud/grit too well.

Like the XM8, the G36, the G11, the (arguably) HK 416....

 

:rofl:

 

 

 

i shot a full auto g36.  holy crap that was dissapointing.    and that integrated scope/red dot was a horrible idea. 

 

what are the HK416 issues you speak of?

Cheap ammo and forcing shit into a gun = failure in any firearm.

I did mention that could be a problem. Especially with that open area. But the rest? Nah. This gun wasn't made to typical HK standards. Go look at the P30 live fire exercise video. It came out smelling like a rose. Still, the VP is fine for most but don't think special forces will be using it any time soon.

 

 

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