If you honestly think police are going to know you own 30rnd mags and have them either in your house or in your car on your way from PA to NJ, then you need to away the tin foil and get back on your meds. Don't do stupid shit that gets your ride searched and no one will know. If they're coming to your house and excuting a search warrant, then you've got bigger problems than a couple of pieces of plastic that OMG hold too many boolits.

Like get into a car accident.

 

Or have somebody get pissed at you and narc you out.

 

Or have your wife or kids get pissed at you or decide on a divorce. Or an Inlaw.

 

Or, this is the good one, have a range buddy get caught and deal to turn you in.

 

Of course, most likely you will talk your way into a search by the cops. I doubt you are saying "Lawyer" or "Fifth Ammendment" when you get pulled over. Supreme court ruled if you answer questions (Where you headed?) and then stop answering questions, it is part of Probable Cause. Also, if you don't say a word and skip positively exerting your rights, you also waived them.

 

I saw a guy in an accident a few months ago, everything he owned was on the road surface.

 

 

You could just as easily carry a gun.

...Supreme court ruled if you answer questions (Where you headed?) and then stop answering questions, it is part of Probable Cause...

 

 

Probable cause for what?  Can you provide the SCOTUS case citation for what you're referring to -- I've never heard of any of this -- or the "if you don't say a word" then reality somehow evaporates assertion?

 

You make some good points but then you lose me -- and I'm easily lost cuz I ain't too smart.

 

Thanks.

 

Probable cause for what?  Can you provide the SCOTUS case citation for what you're referring to -- I've never heard of any of this -- or the "if you don't say a word" then reality somehow evaporates assertion?

 

You make some good points but then you lose me -- and I'm easily lost cuz I ain't too smart.

 

Thanks.

I would look it up same as you. It was recent. Post it here and I will take a look. And Yes.

 

I would look it up same as you. It was recent. Post it here and I will take a look. And Yes.

Huh?

 

Look what up?

 

I have no idea what decision you're talking about? That would make it pretty hard to look up/post it here, right?

 

Do you know what decision you're talking about?

 

Would Supreme Court Fifth Amendment make sense?

 

Maybe you can throw in "ruling" if you have trouble, but I think you will be fine.

Would Supreme Court Fifth Amendment make sense?

Maybe you can throw in "ruling" if you have trouble, but I think you will be fine.

Thanks for your input.

 

Hey sota. Your right. But i would feel more comfortable my way. Ok. Lets say driving to easton i get into a bad accident and stuff is strewn all around my truck. Im in the ambulance. The cops see that i have a drag bag( thats what i use). And they do their do dilligence of taking control. So now im in a body cast from my accident and when i recoup im facing jail time. So many stupid possibilities that im not comfortable with.

Or if you're ok with it, i can tell them you said it was ok if something of that sorts happened?

Did a certain big cat jump out in front of the truck?

@AK 

 

When petitioner had not yet been placed in custody or received Miranda warnings, and voluntarily responded to some questions by police about a murder, the prosecution’s use of his silence in response to another question as evidence of his guilty at trial did not violate the Fifth Amendment because petitioner failed to expressly invoke his privilege not to incriminate himself in response to the officer’s question.

 

 

http://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/salinas-v-texas/

@AK 

 

When petitioner had not yet been placed in custody or received Miranda warnings, and voluntarily responded to some questions by police about a murder, the prosecution’s use of his silence in response to another question as evidence of his guilty at trial did not violate the Fifth Amendment because petitioner failed to expressly invoke his privilege not to incriminate himself in response to the officer’s question.

 

 

http://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/salinas-v-texas/

Thank you.

 

Are you drunk...

 

 

...or retarded?

 

 

I thought you were actually making a thoughtful and informed contribution to this discussion -- now I realize you were just pulling bullturds out of your buttstock.

 

Thanks for your input.

 

 

The irony is earth shattering and frightening.

Geocaching boxes are a new hobby of mine. Wrong thread?

http://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/salinas-v-texas/

That's fucked up, especially with the 2 most conservative justices going along with this opinion.

 

Definitely time for an Article V convention and term limits on these assholes.

 

 

The irony is earth shattering and frightening.

It is.

 

I edited my post because it was inappropriate but I'm not going to debate the irrelevence of this decision to your ridiculous assertions of what may or may not happen during a car stop on route 80.

 

The two have absolutely nothing to do with one another.

 

Nothing further your honor.

 

That's fucked up

BIG time bad stuff in that decision but it serves to tell us to keep our mouths SHUT! If we answer just one stupid question we give up our rights!  The PRNJ has already given up too many of

my rights so I'll be damned if I will VOLUNTARILY give up yet another one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jeepster. You crack me up. Yeah. Thats under the. Peace and brotherly love thread.

BIG time bad stuff in that decision but it serves to tell us to keep our mouths SHUT! If we answer just one stupid question we give up our rights!  The PRNJ has already given up too many of

my rights so I'll be damned if I will VOLUNTARILY give up yet another one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They've also said if you keep your mouth shut, you are waiving your 5th Amendment rights. You must declare 5th Amendment or ask for a lawyer up front.

 

"Where you headed?"

 

"Is this address on your license your current address?"

 

"How are you today?"

We are going off topic, but I am not sure the ruling has anything to do with "answering some but not answering others".  If the defendant remained silent from the beginning, the ruling would have been same (likely).

 

 In round about way, it says one must assert the right, in no uncertain terms, if one expects protection of it. 

 

We have moved away from people having rights by default to person having to "claim" a right and demonstrate a "need" to claim such right in many cases. 

They've also said if you keep your mouth shut, you are waiving your 5th Amendment rights. You must declare 5th Amendment or ask for a lawyer up front.

 

"Where you headed?"

 

"Is this address on your license your current address?"

 

"How are you today?"

I left that part out! My bad!!

 

Mipa, A serious but common sense question! Let's say I am driving home from work, have absolutely nothing gun related nor drugs etc etc!  A cop pulls me over for a burned out tail light!

 

Scenario 1) He seems friendly, greets me with good evening, how are you? I answer fine and yourself? Was I doing something wrong officer, he answers no, I pulled you over to let you know your

left tail light is out! I answer thank you, I will take care of that right away officer, he responds "have a good evening"! END OF ENCOUNTER!

 

Scenario 2) He seems friendly, greets me with good evening, how are you? I answer I politely refuse to answer that question as it is my 5th Amendment right not to incriminate myself! Cop responds,

hold on there sir, I just pulled you over to tell you your tail light is out, were you aware of that? I refuse to answer without a lawyer present! cops response unknown!

 

In the 1st scenario, I was polite, the cop was cool and I got away with a warning!

 

In the 2nd scenario, I immediately invoked my 5th amendment right and requested a lawyer! Does that not make it look to the cop that I am NOT cooperative and MAY well be hiding something

therefore further escalating the situation???  For sure I WILL get the ticket for the tail light at a minimum and who knows how he might escalate the situation further to try to ruin my night! In the end, I have done 

nothing wrong and will go home but at what cost???

 

I have lived scenario 1 many times and most times left with no ticket!

 

In scenario 2, is the cop going to say "Wow this guy knows his rights so I will let him go with just a warning"????

 

If my trunk was full of 30 round magazines, I could see pleading the 5th and getting just a ticket!

If I am breaking no law, what is the harm in engaging in polite conversation and getting away with a warning as I have in the past???

 

Talk to me! Not just Mipa but anyone! how do you all feel about this?????????????

I left that part out! My bad!!

 

Mipa, A serious but common sense question! Let's say I am driving home from work, have absolutely nothing gun related nor drugs etc etc! A cop pulls me over for a burned out tail light!

 

Scenario 1) He seems friendly, greets me with good evening, how are you? I answer fine and yourself? Was I doing something wrong officer, he answers no, I pulled you over to let you know your

left tail light is out! I answer thank you, I will take care of that right away officer, he responds "have a good evening"! END OF ENCOUNTER!

 

Scenario 2) He seems friendly, greets me with good evening, how are you? I answer I politely refuse to answer that question as it is my 5th Amendment right not to incriminate myself! Cop responds,

hold on there sir, I just pulled you over to tell you your tail light is out, were you aware of that? I refuse to answer without a lawyer present! cops response unknown!

 

In the 1st scenario, I was polite, the cop was cool and I got away with a warning!

 

In the 2nd scenario, I immediately invoked my 5th amendment right and requested a lawyer! Does that not make it look to the cop that I am NOT cooperative and MAY well be hiding something

therefore further escalating the situation??? For sure I WILL get the ticket for the tail light at a minimum and who knows how he might escalate the situation further to try to ruin my night! In the end, I have done

nothing wrong and will go home but at what cost???

 

I have lived scenario 1 many times and most times left with no ticket!

 

In scenario 2, is the cop going to say "Wow this guy knows his rights so I will let him go with just a warning"????

 

If my trunk was full of 30 round magazines, I could see pleading the 5th and getting just a ticket!

If I am breaking no law, what is the harm in engaging in polite conversation and getting away with a warning as I have in the past???

 

Talk to me! Not just Mipa but anyone! how do you all feel about this?????????????

You have a burned-out tail-light. The police officer witnessed the "crime."

 

He doesn't even need to ask you any questions to "charge" you therefore, there is no danger of self-incrimination.

 

We're really talking apples and oranges, the ramifications of this decision don't extend very far beyond the case in question and IMO is certainly not usurping "your constitutional rights" against self-incrimination or anyone else's.

 

Let's keep it in perspective. And yes, you are absolutely correct, being cooperative and polite with a police officer or any authority figure is always a wise decision.

 

:up:

You have a burned-out tail-light. The police officer witnessed the "crime."

 

He doesn't even need to ask you any questions to "charge" you therefore, there is no danger of self-incrimination.

 

We're really talking apples and oranges, the ramifications of this decision don't extend very far beyond the case in question and IMO is certainly not usurping "your constitutional rights" against self-incrimination or anyone else's.

 

Let's keep it in perspective. And yes, you are absolutely correct, being cooperative and polite with a police officer or any authority figure is always a wise decision.

 

:up:

Okay! When should we not answer any questions and invoke our 5th Amendment right in a traffic stop? When we know we have something to hide??? Or should we always be cool with the cop and play the odds?

Okay! When should we not answer any questions and invoke our 5th Amendment right in a traffic stop? When we know we have something to hide??? Or should we always be cool with the cop and play the odds?

When? Hypothetically, when you have a dead body in the trunk and the officer asks, "what's in the trunk?" Random question, random answer.

 

I'm not a lawyer but the way I understand it is that your right against self-incrimination was created in the spirit that pertains more to a situation where you are under arrest and in custody -- and less to a car stop situation where you are detained only for a reasonable period of time.

 

The business man in me thinks that renting standard capacity mags would be a good thing for ranges that are just across the border from NJ

Okay! When should we not answer any questions and invoke our 5th Amendment right in a traffic stop? When we know we have something to hide??? Or should we always be cool with the cop and play the odds?

The only time you can is the moment he comes to the window. Because the first thing he will do is ask you a question.

 

If you try later, it doesn't count.

The business man in me thinks that renting standard capacity mags would be a good thing for ranges that are just across the border from NJ

Not sure this is a solid business venture. What would the ROI be for the range? Why do they care if you are using reduced capacity magazines and what What will be gained if standard capacity mags are offered? 

For Golf's problem, he wants to use 30 round mags at a competition. Since this competition happens at a club, I serioulsy doubt they will waste capital to buy magazines for a couple of people who live under shitty laws. Maybe the OP should join the club, or if a member become involved in the club so he can stash some mags in the clubhouse instead of burying them on the side of the road LOL!

Storage facility is the best bed.  I have family in PA so I ordered some D&H 30 rounders while they were on sale and had them shipped to the them.  They can keep them for me till I move to a free state in a few years.  Right now prices are low and who knows what will happen in the future.  For all I know by the time I move we may be in the middle of a HRC presidency and another AWB.  I can't stack em deep in NJ, but I can in my relatives garage in PA.  Might as well buy em cheap. 

Storage facility is the best bed.  I have family in PA so I ordered some D&H 30 rounders while they were on sale and had them shipped to the them.  They can keep them for me till I move to a free state in a few years.  Right now prices are low and who knows what will happen in the future.  For all I know by the time I move we may be in the middle of a HRC presidency and another AWB.  I can't stack em deep in NJ, but I can in my relatives garage in PA.  Might as well buy em cheap. 

 

I read on several websites that sell hi-cap magazines that the billing address and the delivery address must match or minimally, both be in states where the magazine is not banned.

 

Where did order from?

 

This is true ^^^^^^

I read on several websites that sell hi-cap magazines that the billing address and the delivery address must match or minimally, both be in states where the magazine is not banned.

 

Where did order from?

 

PSA will ship to where it is legal, regardless of billing address.

I read on several websites that sell hi-cap magazines that the billing address and the delivery address must match or minimally, both be in states where the magazine is not banned.

 

Where did order from?

 

For $5 go to giftcards.com and buy yourself a prepaid visa with the address of your relatives. Problem solved. I will neither confirm nor deny I used this to buy a noveske pmag back in the day

I bought 30 round magazines at classic pistol

 

 

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