No catalyst is necessary, it's been on the Dems list for years.  Unless 1M gun owners get together and vote as a block we are toast.  They will shoot for the moon, ban SA guns, Magazines, ammo. Esp ammo, look for purchase limits, storage limits, in state registered sale only.  Training, permits, insurance, etc!  Going to get hit hard and they are hoping it all sticks.  Only a mass voting block and elections to dump their sorry asses will change their minds.   They need crime to get reelected, they don't need you having ways to stop it on your own.  More LEO, to take more reports, and God forbid we lock anybody away, that costs even more money we don't have.  They are making more government to bolster their own positions, AKA power.

No catalyst is necessary, it's been on the Dems list for years.  Unless 1M gun owners get together and vote as a block we are toast.  They will shoot for the moon, ban SA guns, Magazines, ammo. Esp ammo, look for purchase limits, storage limits, in state registered sale only.  Training, permits, insurance, etc!  Going to get hit hard and they are hoping it all sticks.  Only a mass voting block and elections to dump their sorry asses will change their minds.   They need crime to get reelected, they don't need you having ways to stop it on your own.  More LEO, to take more reports, and God forbid we lock anybody away, that costs even more money we don't have.  They are making more government to bolster their own positions, AKA power.

It truly is scary. with the Dems owning the Assembly, Senate and Gov seat there arent going to be any checks & balances. .....throw in the anti and apethetic voters....they showed us a preview back in early 2013  with the 70+ proposals. Does tyranny ring a bell?!

No catalyst is necessary, it's been on the Dems list for years.  Unless 1M gun owners get together and vote as a block we are toast.  They will shoot for the moon, ban SA guns, Magazines, ammo. Esp ammo, look for purchase limits, storage limits, in state registered sale only.  Training, permits, insurance, etc!  Going to get hit hard and they are hoping it all sticks.  Only a mass voting block and elections to dump their sorry asses will change their minds.   They need crime to get reelected, they don't need you having ways to stop it on your own.  More LEO, to take more reports, and God forbid we lock anybody away, that costs even more money we don't have.  They are making more government to bolster their own positions, AKA power.

Hopefully if they do take total control, they'll take enough rope to hang them selves in Federal anti-2A cases That will be so blatant they'll have to be heard

Hopefully if they do take total control, they'll take enough rope to hang them selves in Federal anti-2A cases That will be so blatant they'll have to be heard

that take people and $

Tyranny?  Here in NJ?  Are you kidding? Nah never happen.  Remember how fairly they dealt with the assembly bill A4182?  These people are acting in our best interest.  In case anyone doesn't remember, it was memorialized on youtube.  Link here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7ZwQf5EZQE

I'm obviously being sarcastic with my previous remarks. To be clear, I'm actually sickened by the fact that something like this is allowed to happen with no imposition of sanctions or obvious recourse levied upon these traitors. Government out of control?  We all know the answer to that one. 

 

Getting back to the federal weapons ban.  Even though I'm pretty confident that it won't fly (85%) some of you guys made an excellent point about back room deals and after seeing what happened with this budget spending deal, that is something that can't be completely ruled out (hence my 15% lack of confidence).  

As for us here in NJ, unless we can get another Republican governor elected, we are most likely to get f***ed hard, and not in a good way.  We had our opportunity this past "off" election cycle to change things and we actually lost some seats.....not good at all.  Now we're confronted with 2 major elections occurring in "16 and "17 (presidential and gubernatorial) whereas you will have a larger portion of the population voting....hence more democrats (more likely anti gun voters) since they are the majority in this state. When these jokers are finished with us, we will all be wishing that we lived in "conservative" states like California, New York, etc.

that take people and $

and time.  Can take years to work it's way up the food chain.

Not you, they know who they are.

 

Everything is Jersey Jersey Jersey screw the NRA until there's a bump in the night in US Congress.

 

True Dat

that take people and $

 

You make a good point.  Maybe if 50,000 NJ gun owners sent $35 (the same amount as NRA membership) to a well organized legal team, that would bring a $1.75 million war chest to the garden state 2A cause.  Maybe ranges should start requiring a donation to the 2A defense fund as a condition for membership.  In fact, just drop the NRA membership requirement and mandate a donation to the 2A fund.

who would be the well organized legal team? the same guys making back room deals?

You make a good point. Maybe if 50,000 NJ gun owners sent $35 (the same amount as NRA membership) to a well organized legal team, that would bring a $1.75 million war chest to the garden state 2A cause. Maybe ranges should start requiring a donation to the 2A defense fund as a condition for membership. In fact, just drop the NRA membership requirement and mandate a donation to the 2A fund.

I like it!

But, Lt cap makes a valid point also.

 

Is there no one honorable any more? I'd prefer not to think so.

California is at it again: http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-sac-harris-supports-closing-assault-weapons-ban-loophole-160114-story.html

California is at it again: http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-sac-harris-supports-closing-assault-weapons-ban-loophole-160114-story.html

I would think it would be in our interests to help out our California brothers/sisters as best we can, lest we see the same legislation here starting in 2018.

I would think it would be in our interests to help out our California brothers/sisters as best we can, lest we see the same legislation here starting in 2018.

 

California is a lost cause.

that take people and $

And time. Time is running out. Most federal courts have been packed by Obama, and soon you can say Bye Bye to the Supreme Court as well, which is already a big question mark as of this moment Not sure even a case filed today could get there in time.