Just thinking aloud but a 6x magnifier for a red dot optic sounds to me like its going past the practical limits of the optic. For one, if you have a 3 moa dot...its now a 1.8 moa dot...

 

you mean 18

 

but yes, you're correct.  The dot will be magnified.

you mean 18

 

but yes, you're correct. The dot will be magnified.

Good catch, lol. I guess my point is that it'll be a big fugging dot.

im liking this thing http://www.gunsholstersandgear.com/2016/01/19/ak-alpha-rifle-from-kalashnikov-usa/

 

They had me until CAA was involved.

Kel tec released a 6.5 Grendel RDB. I think it's really cool, but it think it's awful for NJ that more manufacturers are making Cali compliant guns. It just may be the push that lawmakers are waiting for to make pistol grips illegal in NJ.

Oleg Volk's article

http://www.thesear.com/the-new-kel-tec-rdb-c/

Kel tec released a 6.5 Grendel RDB. I think it's really cool, but it think it's awful for NJ that more manufacturers are making Cali compliant guns. It just may be the push that lawmakers are waiting for to make pistol grips illegal in NJ.

Oleg Volk's article

http://www.thesear.com/the-new-kel-tec-rdb-c/

NJ can only pass what the voters allow. Be vocal with your opinion, Sam.

 

 

Eric

Aimpoint 6x mag:

 

http://soldiersystems.net/2016/01/18/firstspear-range-day-aimpoint-magnifiers/

 

First hand report from a bud that is there (lucky bastard) says that it has decent focus adjustment to remove all astigmatism related smearing of the dot under magnification.

 

MSRP: $900 Yikes!!

they also have 2 cheaper mounts.  i think their flip to the side, detachable mount was pretty sweet too.  

you mean 18

 

but yes, you're correct.  The dot will be magnified.

 

so will what you are looking at.  shouldn't that make it still a 3 MOA dot?

so will what you are looking at. shouldn't that make it still a 3 MOA dot?

Bingo!

 

Look, you can make 300 yard hits on paper/steel with an Aimpont PRO/T1/T2/M4s etc with no magnifier all day long. That's all fine and good, but paper and steel don't need to be identified as a threat before you engage them.

 

Can you ID a cell phone from a gun from a can of beer at 300 yards with your Mk 1 eyeball? What good is being able to get hits at 300 yards if you can't positively ID what you are shooting at?

 

This is a magnifier for a red dot sight. It enables you to ID threats v friendlies v unknown at the effective range of a carbine, and engage with an increased chance of hitting. It is not designed to magically turn an M4 into an SPR.

The trouble it that it still covers a larger surface that you might wish at a longer distance. Personally I'm not a fan of that arrangement, it is no lighter then a 1-4x or 1-6x scope, no cheaper, two different mounts that can fail, two different optics that can fail, more crap to get caught in stuff, bleh. 

The trouble it that it still covers a larger surface that you might wish at a longer distance. Personally I'm not a fan of that arrangement, it is no lighter then a 1-4x or 1-6x scope, no cheaper, two different mounts that can fail, two different optics that can fail, more crap to get caught in stuff, bleh. 

 

 

i don't mind the idea, but don't see a $900 reason for one.  I actually only like it with the twist off mount, to me, it makes sense if you just carried it in your bag and added it when needed assuming you thought a red dot made sense 99% of the time.  

 

if i thought the need to go from 1-6 was a regular occurrence, than a variable would be better.  

The trouble it that it still covers a larger surface that you might wish at a longer distance. Personally I'm not a fan of that arrangement, it is no lighter then a 1-4x or 1-6x scope, no cheaper, two different mounts that can fail, two different optics that can fail, more crap to get caught in stuff, bleh.

Yep. While the ratio of red dot size vs target stays the same, in reality...its not the same. Specifically, your field of view narrows with magnification. Now, that huge red dot covers a much larger area of view.

 

Secondly, the 6x mag is trying to extend the range of the red dot optic. Thing is, red dots are intended for closer/fast target engagements. There are better optics for longer engagements that require 6x magnification rather than pushing the boundaries of the red dot.

Look, you can make 300 yard hits on paper/steel with an Aimpont PRO/T1/T2/M4s etc with no magnifier all day long. That's all fine and good, but paper and steel don't need to be identified as a threat before you engage them.

 

This is a magnifier for a red dot sight. It enables you to ID threats v friendlies v unknown at the effective range of a carbine, and engage with an increased chance of hitting. It is not designed to magically turn an M4 into an SPR.

Rick,

 

I addressed this in my previous post. In my opinion, once you approach 300yds and beyond, you really are better off with an SPR set up rather than trying to engage with a red dot, at that distance.

Vlad, all that stuff comes in handy if you need to make tactical French toast with all the snow coming. O yeah and zombies too

 

BTW, I was gonna say there was nothing I've seen in shot reports that I wanted, but did find something I really want:

 

https://brigandarms.com/shop-3/brigand-edge-15/

 

Oh boy .. if that wasn't nearly $400 I would be ALL OVER IT.

BTW, I was gonna say there was nothing I've seen in shot reports that I wanted, but did find something I really want:

 

I know it's ugly but I kinda like it - plus the fact that it's got a nice trigger and takes Beretta 92 mags...

 

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/01/18/new-order-firearms-no9-pistol/

The X95 has my interest but probably down the line. Theres also another bullpup design that I saw but forgot the name of it. Looked slick.

Rick,

 

I addressed this in my previous post. In my opinion, once you approach 300yds and beyond, you really are better off with an SPR set up rather than trying to engage with a red dot, at that distance.

 

 

i'd agree IF you would mostly be "engaging" at 300+ yards.   it's really no different than those that put a red dot on a 45 offset mount on a scoped rifle.  it's a bandaid to use for the times when you aren't in the situation you built the gear out for.  

i'd agree IF you would mostly be "engaging" at 300+ yards.   it's really no different than those that put a red dot on a 45 offset mount on a scoped rifle.  it's a bandaid to use for the times when you aren't in the situation you built the gear out for.  

Yes, and that brings us back to my original point; i feel using 6x magnification is taking away from the primary intended use of a red dot, which is...close/quick engagements. 

 

Just because you can adapt a red dot for targets past 200 yds doesnt mean that is the best way to go.

I've been inundated with Shot Show videos, especially from Iraqveteran8888. I delete most after a cursory look but Quinn (Gunblast) is always worth a read. Here he reviews about 10 products. Something for everybody:

 

http://bit.ly/20jE8hc

 

I hope that was a full paragraph.