I certainly understand some folks are much more passionate about firearms than me, I GET that! But if my daughter said.."Daddy, why do we have to move, I love my school and all my friends are here". And you respond.."I'm sorry honey, but NJ just banned 15 round magazines, we have no choice, we must move." Sorry, that's not gonna happen. Again, I respect all here, its just one man's opinion!

Tell her tough shit!

I have been planning the move to PA for two years.  I figure it will take me about another two years to finally feel ready with both work and family.

 

That being said, if NJ is intent on turning me into a criminal via legislation, why then yes, I'd move out as quickly as possible.

 

Imagine if NJ made a law that said any car over 200 bhp is illegal, and you if you keep a car over 200bph, then you are a criminal.  Same thing to me.  

 

Keep in mind NJ is the state that tried to make owning a car over 4 years old illegal. It got stupidly far in the legislative process too. 

carl g,

 

Yea, thats really a mature way to do it. Come on.

The one point I never get.

We all want to retire to our own personal paradise. But whilst you are here, why not fight to make it better?

Maybe you are not getting it. You don't wait till the last minute unless you are well off and can do something at the drop of a hat....

 

So lets see... Hmmm, stay here, waste money on lost causes, defending people's causes that can give a ratz arse about anyone but themselves, exuberant taxes and insurance, risk losing our pensions and social security -OR- get out as fast as possible.

 

What the Frack is so hard to understand? Its been explained in this thread by several of us. RIF gawd dammit!

 

I/we paid our dues! Its your fooking turn! I'm not staying here any longer and risk everything I worked for all my life because your only concerns are your 2A rights. Again, I will do what I can by writing, donating etc., but as soon as I see a hole in the wall, I'm out of here.

You want to hang here the rest of your life. Then have fun fixing it!

 

 

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Keep in mind NJ is the state that tried to make owning a car over 4 years old illegal. It got stupidly far in the legislative process too.

And NJ did outlaw soft-cooked eggs in 1992.

Maybe you are not getting it. You don't wait till the last minute unless you are well off and can do something at the drop of a hat....

 

So lets see... Hmmm, stay here, waste money on lost causes, defending people's causes that can give a ratz arse about anyone but themselves, exuberant taxes and insurance, risk losing our pensions and social security -OR- get out as fast as possible.

 

What the Frack is so hard to understand? Its been explained in this thread by several of us. RIF gawd dammit!

 

I/we paid our dues! Its your fooking turn! I'm not staying here any longer and risk everything I worked for all my life because your only concerns are your 2A rights. Again, I will do what I can by writing, donating etc., but as soon as I see a hole in the wall, I'm out of here.

You want to hang here the rest of your life. Then have fun fixing it!

 

 

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Agreed Some of us have been beating our heads here In NJ for a long time and are retired or on the verge of and honestly are tired of it. Its not a defeatest attitude but when you are here for 50-60 yrs and see the constant corrupted onslaught of stupid you cant help but look for the light at the end of the tunnel when its staring at you. We/I have put in a lot of effort over the yrs only to see it ignored, postponed etc but it keeps coming back. The 2a rights speciffically seem to be a useless fight nothing gets repealed or reversed, just more of the progressive cutting edge anti crap. -and going to get much worse. I truly believe the point of no return has been passed in this state. the foundation is crumbling, financially, physically and metaphorically.

carl g,

 

Yea, thats really a mature way to do it. Come on.

Maybe that was a little harsh.. how about "tough cookies" or "tough toenails?"

Or... simply just stay put, pay your high taxes, insurance,and other insane cost of living with your broke state government & no 2A rights. Just don't complain. 

Maybe you are not getting it. You don't wait till the last minute unless you are well off and can do something at the drop of a hat....

 

So lets see... Hmmm, stay here, waste money on lost causes, defending people's causes that can give a ratz arse about anyone but themselves, exuberant taxes and insurance, risk losing our pensions and social security -OR- get out as fast as possible.

 

What the Frack is so hard to understand? Its been explained in this thread by several of us. RIF gawd dammit!

 

I/we paid our dues! Its your fooking turn! I'm not staying here any longer and risk everything I worked for all my life because your only concerns are your 2A rights. Again, I will do what I can by writing, donating etc., but as soon as I see a hole in the wall, I'm out of here.

You want to hang here the rest of your life. Then have fun fixing it!

 

 

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You appear very angry

Agreed Some of us have been beating our heads here In NJ for a long time and are retired or on the verge of and honestly are tired of it. Its not a defeatest attitude but when you are here for 50-60 yrs and see the constant corrupted onslaught of stupid you cant help but look for the light at the end of the tunnel when its staring at you. We/I have put in a lot of effort over the yrs only to see it ignored, postponed etc but it keeps coming back. The 2a rights speciffically seem to be a useless fight nothing gets repealed or reversed, just more of the progressive cutting edge anti crap. -and going to get much worse. I truly believe the point of no return has been passed in this state. the foundation is crumbling, financially, physically and metaphorically.

having been born in Idaho and lived pretty much everywhere.I can tell you where you are moving to people have fought for their rights. Gentleman, Colorado was able to do the recall.

 

I know very well how nj is broken. It's prolly( Jon b that's probably) one of the most corrupt states in the union.

I'm not saying don't go. Follow your heart my friends. But do not stop fighting while you are here! This is America! I reside in New Jersey.

Last I checked, New Jersey is still part of America.

 

Thank you

Grass is greener till you mowe that bitch

Maybe one should read this. Mind you it's long but very eye opening.  A 2015 edition is due this year, I believe.  Then tell me NJ is the best place.  Just like they used to say, "It's not what you earn, it's what you keep."

 

http://freedominthe50states.org/

 

 

...Last I checked, New Jersey is still part of America...

Check again. There is a sign in PA reminding you where Merica starts.

 

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having been born in Idaho and lived pretty much everywhere.I can tell you where you are moving to people have fought for their rights. Gentleman, Colorado was able to do the recall. You're not in Colorado.

 

I know very well how nj is broken. It's prolly( Jon b that's probably) one of the most corrupt states in the union.

I'm not saying don't go. Follow your heart my friends. But do not stop fighting while you are here! This is America! I reside in New Jersey.

Last I checked, New Jersey is still part of America. That is debatable. 

 

Thank you

Grass is greener till you mowe that bitch

 

Check again. There is a sign in PA reminding you where Merica starts.

 

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Paul, you seriously suck hardcore right now!

 

having been born in Idaho and lived pretty much everywhere.I can tell you where you are moving to people have fought for their rights. Gentleman, Colorado was able to do the recall. You're not in Colorado.

 

I know very well how nj is broken. It's prolly( Jon b that's probably) one of the most corrupt states in the union.

I'm not saying don't go. Follow your heart my friends. But do not stop fighting while you are here! This is America! I reside in New Jersey.

Last I checked, New Jersey is still part of America. That is debatable.

 

Thank you

Grass is greener till you mowe that bitch

Ok,cat1ils approach.

Your in fl now. Why kill moral here?

You think it's jus me moving down there?

John b ils cat 1 is all airmen talk.

200 hrs pic

 

John b pic is " pilot in command"

You appear very angry

Yea, you are right. Because I'm sick of the complacent, call em what you will, younger generations still living in mommies basement, the entitled generation that thinks only of themselves that had everything handed to them and still wants more.

 

I've seen these conversations here and elsewhere that people concentrate on one thing and cry like babies to get what they want.

I know I'm not the oldest guy here. But I've been brought up to be independent, work hard for what I want and never ask or accept things for free and still have manners.

 

The scumbags in office from my generation and beyond, have forgotten where they came from. Try talking to some of these bastards and the older than me still look past me like I'm not worthy to live. I don't blame it all on the younger generation but most leaves don't fall far from those trees. Their sickness goes on for generations.

The biggest problem we have today from most generations is complacency. Everybody is fine till something affects them. Take away their food stamps, force higher taxes down their throats, take away their abilities to do whatever they want and then they bitch. But then its too late. Well tough crap. Ya let it all happen.

 

I'll admit that I've become somewhat complacent over the years. But my eyes are wide open now. Nothing major that pist me off. But it all came to light years ago when I lost my job after over 23 dedicated years to some young peckerheads that would get paid half or less what I made. That was bad enough. But then I busted my ass to find work. I wanted to work. Hell, I wish I still could. But after the decades I put into the system, taxes, social security, etc etc. I became fully disabled from all my injuries.

I was denied benefits for over 3 years. I almost lost everything I worked for. My family, my home, my toys, etc.

Why? Because this fooking state said I was too young to be disabled. All the while there are low scum getting benefits that barely worked a day in their lives.

 

I had to sue this fooking state to get my money. The money I put into the system to be there for me! Not you, not some low lying lazy biotch that didn't look like a thing was wrong with her but looked like she never missed a meal while her kids where starving. But for me!!!' And what did I get? Harrasment and thrown to the curb and left to die as far as this shite state was concerned.

 

THEN a judge, the same judge that told this 3 time lawyer and his lazy arse client that they would give her no benefits, heard my case and told the state to pretty much go eff themselves. He granted me full benefits and all my back pay. The state was pist because I would not work at McDonalds 80 effing hours to pay my mortgage and said I was fine because I was not old enough to be disabled. To this day, I still can't afford the surgeries I need and we have insurance. Thanks Oblama!

 

So you see, it may not be like this in every state, but this state can kiss my hairy arse. It has done more for the less or not deserving than the hard working people of this state. Hell, for this country. Wait till you get near retirement.

You'll see.

 

 

 

 

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John b ils cat 1 is all airmen talk.

200 hrs pic

 

John b pic is " pilot in command"

Those I never would have gotten. Thanks.

And NJ did outlaw soft-cooked eggs in 1992.

Then why is Loretta Weinberg still around?

 

Here is my take on this. I grew up in NJ, lived here for over 40 years, all my family and friends are here. I have a job that I can transfer just about anywhere in the US. I will fight while I am here, but at some point I may throw in the towel. NJ could be a great state, but the next few years, maybe 5, will determine whether it can be brought back or whether it will be a progressive/communist hell hole! (It's really not that far off)

Those I never would have gotten. Thanks.

No problem bud

Yea, you are right. Because I'm sick of the complacent, call em what you will, younger generations still living in mommies basement, the entitled generation that thinks only of themselves that had everything handed to them and still wants more.

 

I've seen these conversations here and elsewhere that people concentrate on one thing and cry like babies to get what they want.

I know I'm not the oldest guy here. But I've been brought up to be independent, work hard for what I want and never ask or accept things for free and still have manners.

 

The scumbags in office from my generation and beyond, have forgotten where they came from. Try talking to some of these bastards and the older than me still look past me like I'm not worthy to live. I don't blame it all on the younger generation but most leaves don't fall far from those trees. Their sickness goes on for generations.

The biggest problem we have today from most generations is complacency. Everybody is fine till something affects them. Take away their food stamps, force higher taxes down their throats, take away their abilities to do whatever they want and then they bitch. But then its too late. Well tough crap. Ya let it all happen.

 

I'll admit that I've become somewhat complacent over the years. But my eyes are wide open now. Nothing major that pist me off. But it all came to light years ago when I lost my job after over 23 dedicated years to some young peckerheads that would get paid half or less what I made. That was bad enough. But then I busted my ass to find work. I wanted to work. Hell, I wish I still could. But after the decades I put into the system, taxes, social security, etc etc. I became fully disabled from all my injuries.

I was denied benefits for over 3 years. I almost lost everything I worked for. My family, my home, my toys, etc.

Why? Because this fooking state said I was too young to be disabled. All the while there are low scum getting benefits that barely worked a day in their lives.

 

I had to sue this fooking state to get my money. The money I put into the system to be there for me! Not you, not some low lying lazy biotch that didn't look like a thing was wrong with her but looked like she never missed a meal while her kids where starving. But for me!!!' And what did I get? Harrasment and thrown to the curb and left to die as far as this shite state was concerned.

 

THEN a judge, the same judge that told this 3 time lawyer and his lazy arse client that they would give her no benefits, heard my case and told the state to pretty much go eff themselves. He granted me full benefits and all my back pay. The state was pist because I would not work at McDonalds 80 effing hours to pay my mortgage and said I was fine because I was not old enough to be disabled. To this day, I still can't afford the surgeries I need and we have insurance. Thanks Oblama!

 

So you see, it may not be like this in every state, but this state can kiss my hairy arse. It has done more for the less or not deserving than the hard working people of this state. Hell, for this country. Wait till you get near retirement.

You'll see.

 

 

 

 

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My point, my theme is constantly: leave if it is what you need/ feel. But, please do not dump on the chest and neck of those that are digging in and fighting.

 

Can we agree on that?

 

John B that's called a Cleveland steamer. You may want to google that

My point, my theme is constantly: leave if it is what you need/ feel. But, please do not dump on the chest and neck of those that are digging in and fighting.

 

Can we agree on that?

 

John B that's called a Cleveland steamer. You may want to google that

If you read what I posted, you'd see I said I'd do what I could till we leave and I never said to not keep fighting.

 

 

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Pax

Are you kidding me? There really are members here that plan to move out of NJ if 15 round magazines are banned?? Come on guys, its just a hobby! I would think your family, friends and career are obviously more important than firearms!

 

I meant to post this response a while ago.  This is an excerpt from the Federalist Papers.  It will help anyone who is unclear of the intent behind the Second Amendment of what it's true purpose is.

 

The Federalist Papers

#29 Hamilton

 

but, if circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little if at all inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow citizens.

 

Where in the name of common sense are our fears to end if we may not trust our sons, our brothers, our neighbors, our fellow citizens?

 

Honestly, everyone has the right to participate in an argument, but it would be wise to participate standing on a foundation of historic fact, rather than personal belief.  The above quote is only one example of the philosophy of the framers of the Constitution.  I strongly encourage anyone who has not yet done so, to go to a book store and buy a copy of the Federalist Papers and a copy of the Anti-Federalist Papers and put it in your bathroom or on your night stand.  Ignorance is the enemy of reason.

The hope for restoring the second amendment in NJ  lies with a supreme court challenge but if a Democrat Communist is elected president in 2016. this all goes down the drain. The next president will probably appoint 4 supreme court justices so this is the most important election in our history. Meanwhile NJ has a ban on magazines over 15 rounds but any size mag is available just over the PA border. The Democrats can ban anything that they like but I believe that many patriotic second amendment supporters in this state are refusing to obey illegal and unconstitutional laws. 

Be careful what you post on a public forum!  I served in the military and took the oath. I also consciously chose to live in the PRNJ. I have followed all NJ laws to date as I am not

in a position to afford the likes of Evan Nappen to defend me in a test case. I am unfortunately at the mercy of the state and I pray for a good outcome in November. If this does not happen

and Hillary or Sanders is elected, we are all screwed! I would love to move too free America but right now this is not possible for me.

 

I once had 30 round magazines here but destroyed them many years ago when they became illegal to posses. I now have 15 round magazines and hope that in two years I will not need to replace 

them with five round magazines! If the Democrats win in November and SCOTUS gets more liberal. There will be no 30 round magazines anywhere, nor any ARs or AKs period!

This election is that important and we all need to get the word out. The FSA is strong but we need to be stronger in order to defeat them in November!

With all the new gun owners, the word needs to get to them that nice new Glock or Beretta they just bought, overnight the State will make them a felon.  

Well if Hillary or Sanders wins the election, and they do wind up appointed 3 or 4 liberal Supreme Court Justices, its gonna to effect the ENTIRE country! So many here are anxious to leave NJ, but eventually the firearms restrictions will

be nation wide. What are you guys gonna do than, leave the country!? You cant just keep on running away! And lets face it, Hillary WILL be our next president! I'd put her odds at 85%>. I just cant see Trump or Cruz beating here and those are the only 2 choices at this point.....Rubio is finished, in my opinion.

Well if Hillary or Sanders wins the election, and they do wind up appointed 3 or 4 liberal Supreme Court Justices, its gonna to effect the ENTIRE country! So many here are anxious to leave NJ, but eventually the firearms restrictions will

be nation wide. What are you guys gonna do than, leave the country!? You cant just keep on running away!

Nooooo, they will stand and fight. Not with paper and ink either!

Molon Labe!

 

 

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bhunted,

 

Be careful, that's a pretty dangerous statement. I would chose my words VERY careful on the internet with this topic! Comments like that do not help the pro gun movement and only hurt our argument!

bhunted,

 

Be careful, that's a pretty dangerous statement. I would chose my words VERY careful on the internet with this topic! Comments like that do not help the pro gun movement and only hurt our argument!

Ahhhh heck, people been saying it here and elsewhere since all this crap started. I understand. But look at the reality of it. You think there won't be if the antis pull it off? I'm confident enough to know it won't happen. (But let them try take a red neck's guns away). Just saying....

 

 

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