You forgot a few:

 

5.  Didn't take the full pardon when it was offered

 

6.  Decided to fight it out in court

 

7.  Excessive whining and complaining about his lot in life -- to include public forums and book form -- when his dumb-assed decisions put him there in the first place

 

8.  Making the rest of us look foolish, too

I also do not understand why he would not take a full pardon--the way I understand it, pardon would have legally restored his innocence as if he had never been convicted.

 

I still say he never should have been given prison time in the first place.

And the case, like all the arrest of out-of-state people on ridiculous gun laws, highlights the idiocy of NJ gun law.

I also do not understand why he would not take a full pardon--the way I understand it, pardon would have legally restored his innocence as if he had never been convicted.

 

I still say he never should have been given prison time in the first place.

And the case, like all the arrest of out-of-state people on ridiculous gun laws, highlights the idiocy of NJ gun law.

Agreed.

So if you own two houses in NJ, and you take some or all of your handguns from one to another, are you moving if

 

You day trip?

Spend the night?

A week?

3 months down the shore?

 

If you stop at the range on the way, are you black letter law good to go?

It means what it says. MOVING. It doesn't say that about going to a range, or taking a firearm from a place or purchase, or any other situation.

 

This dude went to jail for 7 years for it. People say, "Oh, those charges went away, hollowpoints." Bullshit. Read the record. You don't get 7 years in jail for hollowpoints or magazines, he was rotting in jail for having two unloaded handguns in his trunk. The rest was a later development that was likely worked out as a deal by Nappen.

 

Be very careful. There is a fever of hope, word games, and wishful thinking among the condemned. Rest assured - there is no hope for the condemned. There is no, "How could that possibly be true? It doesn't make sense. It must mean this." Do not fall into the trap. Jersey all but outlawed firearms, and the court's position is: It is law and custom in Jersey that the legislature has intended to restrict and limit firearm ownership as much as possible, and people deal with firearms in Jersey at their own peril.

 

That being said, what is legal and the frequency of people going to jail are two different things. But the consequences are SEVERE if that moment comes.

My point is that the statute says moving. Not relocation. Are yiu moving from one residence to another is you travel from one to another. There are both legal locations to poses session a handgun and you are able to transport to your home. I completed agree on the f'ed nature of NJ gun law.

 

My point is that the statute says moving. Not relocation. Are yiu moving from one residence to another is you travel from one to another. There are both legal locations to poses session a handgun and you are able to transport to your home. I completed agree on the f'ed nature of NJ gun law.

Are you moving if you are going to a range?

 

"To carry any firearm unloaded and contained in a closed and fastened case, gunbox, securely tied package, or locked in the trunk of the automobile in which it is being transported and the course of travel shall include only such deviations as are reasonably necessary under the circumstances from any place of purchase to his residence or place of business, between his dwelling and his place of business, from one place of business or residence and another when moving, or between his dwelling or place of business and place where such firearms are repaired, for the purpose of repair."

 

It's clear as glass. The distinction is obvious. You buy it and you take it the hell home. You can't take it to your various properties or homes unless MOVING.

 

But I do have some bad news. You have the fever. Hope. Abandon hope all ye you enter Jersey.

 

Don't get your rear in a sling.

"From one place of residence to another when moving." What makes a move? Do I need to abandon the first residence to move?

"From one place of residence to another when moving." What makes a move? Do I need to abandon the first residence to move?

It means going to a range, of course. You move when you go to a range.

 

You have the fever, and unfortunately I cannot treat it. Best of luck.

It's called freedom. If no one respected the stupid laws, imagine the result.

So if you own two houses in NJ, and you take some or all of your handguns from one to another, are you moving if

You day trip?

Spend the night?

A week?

3 months down the shore?

If you stop at the range on the way, are you black letter law good to go?

All of what you list would be legal by NJ Statutes.

 

Proof of this? Aitken is the only "moving" case I can remember in NJ. If you tell your mother something that would worry her enough to call the police your results would be different.

 

Once again I ask anybody to show me a case where someone was arrested because they stopped to use the bathroom, for gas, or for something to eat.

 

Before any one brings up the guy moving from Maine to Texas, he wasn't moving his guns IAW FOPA.

 

Yes transport laws in NJ are stupid but too many exaggerate.

Once again I ask anybody to show me a case where someone was arrested because they stopped to use the bathroom, for gas, or for something to eat.

Aitken. /thread.

 

BTW, this challenge was put out a couple years ago about hollowpoints. "How come I never heard about it?" is a pretty dumb argument. You think everybody that gets busted for guns in Jersey with no other crimes makes the papers?

 

BTW, I met that challenge on hollowpoints, it happened a few months later. Oh yeah, and Aitken. Separate incident, though, and that was a deal.

 

 

Yes transport laws in NJ are stupid but too many exaggerate.

 

They are not transport laws. They are POSSESSION laws. Without license to carry a handgun, possession of a handgun is illegal in Jersey by default. Exceptions are provided. One of the exceptions is going between certain locations. Different residences is NOT an exception, except when "MOVING."

 

We got another condemned one here with Hope Fever.

All of what you list would be legal by NJ Statutes.

 

Proof of this? Aitken is the only "moving" case I can remember in NJ. If you tell your mother something that would worry her enough to call the police your results would be different.

 

Once again I ask anybody to show me a case where someone was arrested because they stopped to use the bathroom, for gas, or for something to eat.

 

Before any one brings up the guy moving from Maine to Texas, he wasn't moving his guns IAW FOPA.

 

Yes transport laws in NJ are stupid but too many exaggerate.

Why should anybody be arrested unless they are committing a violent crime with the weapon?

  Are you moving if you are going to a range?

 

"To carry any firearm unloaded and contained in a closed and fastened case, gunbox, securely tied package, or locked in the trunk of the automobile in which it is being transported and the course of travel shall include only such deviations as are reasonably necessary under the circumstances from any place of purchase to his residence or place of business, between his dwelling and his place of business, from one place of business or residence and another when moving, or between his dwelling or place of business and place where such firearms are repaired, for the purpose of repair."

 

It's clear as glass. The distinction is obvious. You buy it and you take it the hell home. You can't take it to your various properties or homes unless MOVING.

I can't go from one property to another without moving with respect to the two properties, assuming said properties occupy two distinct spatial locations.  Otherwise, how would I get from one to the other.  After Aitken, my rather loose interpretation of the transport law has changed. 

I can't go from one property to another without moving with respect to the two properties, assuming said properties occupy two distinct spatial locations. Otherwise, how would I get from one to the other. After Aitken, my rather loose interpretation of the transport law has changed.

I think your missing his point my friend

Aitken. /thread.

BTW, this challenge was put out a couple years ago about hollowpoints. "How come I never heard about it?" is a pretty dumb argument. You think everybody that gets busted for guns in Jersey with no other crimes makes the papers?

BTW, I met that challenge on hollowpoints, it happened a few months later. Oh yeah, and Aitken. Separate incident, though, and that was a deal.

 

They are not transport laws. They are POSSESSION laws. Without license to carry a handgun, possession of a handgun is illegal in Jersey by default. Exceptions are provided. One of the exceptions is going between certain locations. Different residences is NOT an exception, except when "MOVING."

We got another condemned one here with Hope Fever.

 

Aitken? He said he was moving and also said his room mate wanted him to get the guns out of the apartment because he was having a party. The second statement was corroborated by Aitken's room mate at the trial. No cigar on that one.

 

"How I never heard about it" is not a dumb argument. The past 10 years or so with the Internet and a 2A awareness throughout the country (including NJ) word gets around pretty fast. Recently there was a story about some guy who dropped his uncle off that was arrested. Didn't happen but it was posted on this forum within hours of it supposedly happening.

 

You claim you responded to my question about being arrested only for hollowpoints. IIRC your response said some EMT that stopped at an accident wound up being arrested by NJSP for hollowpoints only. You were unable to provide any news article backing up your claim. Aitken? He was also charged with the handgun and "high capacity" magazines. No cigar for either of those.

 

Even if I give you that one there must be hundreds of people not involved in any other criminal activity arrested for hollowpoints. Surely several of them would have made the news. I did find one guy arrested for hollowpoints about 12 to 13 years ago. IIRC he also had a handgun but was not charged for that. Don't know the details on why he wasn't.

 

I suppose you have a plethora of cases on people being arrested for stopping at the bathroom, getting something to eat, or for gas to or from the range. That's the question I asked not about hollowpoints.

 

I'm sure you can also provide many cases of people taking a handgun to their shore house.

 

You are confusing possession and transport. If you have your handgun at home you are legally possessing it. If you are taking it somewhere you are possessing it and transporting it.

 

Hope Fever? Hardly. You seem to like to label people who don't agree 100% with you and drink your Kool-aid. That includes many times you make judgements or statements with out all the information.

Why should anybody be arrested unless they are committing a violent crime with the weapon?

Zeke, no one should but the firearms laws in NJ are in many cases clear as mud.