How can a judge rule against common sense? Oh yeah, judges have no common sense, f#(%&ing scum bag

 

I'm beyond sick of the Sandy hook Family's, Yeah I feel bad for them and all but get over it. Stop trying to destroy America. 

 

http://www.newsweek.com/connecticut-judge-dismisses-gun-manufacturers-motion-dismiss-447918

 

In a major blow to gun companies, a judge in Connecticut on Thursday denied a motion to dismiss a lawsuit brought by 10 families affected by the December 2012 massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School against the maker of the Bushmaster AR-15 rifle used in the shooting.

 

The Sandy Hook case names Remington Arms Co., the manufacturer of the weapon, as well as Camfour Inc., a distributor of firearms, and Riverview Gun Sales, the now-defunct dealer in East Windsor, Connecticut, that sold the rifle to the shooter’s mother in 2010.

Sorry the title should be Gun makers Can be sued

My reading is that it isn't so simple. If what I'm reading is correct the court refused to dismiss the case for lack of jurisdiction, because they believe they have it. So far the "don't sue the gun makers" laws haven't really been brought up on the conversation.

My reading is that it isn't so simple. If what I'm reading is correct the court refused to dismiss the case for lack of jurisdiction, because they believe they have it. So far the "don't sue the gun makers" laws haven't really been brought up on the conversation.

That's my understanding as well. My guess, they lose and have to pay Remington's attorney fees

No chance of winning, purely political and meant to drive Bushmaster out of bidness with bad PR as the case moves up through the courts. Activist judges suck.

Perhaps these people should sue Honda as it was a Honda that he drove to the scene so it is partly their fault as well.  Let's not forget ExxonMobil as there is a high probability that it was their fuel that powered the Honda that carried him and the guns to the scene.  See where this is going yet?  Frivolous suit at best.

Perhaps these people should sue Honda as it was a Honda that he drove to the scene so it is partly their fault as well. Let's not forget ExxonMobil as there is a high probability that it was their fuel that powered the Honda that carried him and the guns to the scene. See where this is going yet? Frivolous suit at best.

Funny, I said the same thing to my coworker this morning.

 

 

WHAT IS THIS WORLD COMING TO?!

 

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Perhaps these people should sue Honda as it was a Honda that he drove to the scene so it is partly their fault as well.  Let's not forget ExxonMobil as there is a high probability that it was their fuel that powered the Honda that carried him and the guns to the scene.  See where this is going yet?  Frivolous suit at best.

 

And yet Hillary continues to promote her disingenuous narrative that gun makers are the only industry exempt from liability suits.  I don't know of any situation where a valid claim can be made against a company whose product is used for criminal purposes.  

 

I listened to her make that same lie last night, and of course Bernie did not hold her accountable for it.  I was ready to throw up.

But then I realized that it was my fault for even watching that crap.  

So far this case has seen a Federal Judge order the case to state court without comment. That in it self was the first twist in the case. Now a CT State Court Judge has said it can proceed.  Really?  OK!  The CT state court judge allowed this because she did not want to deal with the issue. So it has a long way to go before we see any real significance, Read about it here at TTAG.  http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2016/04/robert-farago/breaking-sandy-hook-lawsuit-bushmaster-moves-forwards/

 

Notice where she is from. her law specialty, and relationships.  Now tell me these judges are not just extensions of the political parties.

Now tell me these judges are not just extensions of the political parties.

Point of order: why wouldn't they be? The judiciary is a branch of the government (which is why I'm amused when we expect judges and the SC to save us from governement abuses) and as such just as likely to be involved in the political process as the other two branches. I think that considering them apolitical is what gets us in trouble and breaks our expectations.

Totally politically motivated...what else is new

Sry.. I duped this over in Gun Laws' forum.  Will link it here.  Maybe someone can merge it to here before too many comments there.

Sry.. I duped this over in Gun Laws' forum.  Will link it here.  Maybe someone can merge it to here before too many comments there.

Already locked it up

Thnx Krdshrk.

 

Here's my comment from that thread.

 

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Foxnews.com Article

 

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/04/15/judge-rules-newtown-families-lawsuit-against-gun-makers-can-go-forward.html?intcmp=hpbt3

 

I'd expect this to be dismissed at some point based on the Protect of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act as the article references.  But... it should be dismissed because Remington had nothing to do with it. Adam Lanza, that sick #@$&^ killed those people.

 

The article also said this...

 

Judge Bellis ruled Thursday that argument would be best made in a motion later in the process and is not grounds to dismiss the lawsuit.

 

Which might be good in that he may think it has no ground but better ruled on elsewhere. Not sure.  Maybe the legal dudes can comment.

 

But...there's a disturbing trend on the left.  They are also suing Exxon Moblile for failure to warn the public that their products cause Climate Change.  The left loves to govern by the court system.

 

This crap has to stop.

 

Not that I would agree with this, but a lawsuit against the school district in Newtown for failing to protect their students and staff would be less ridiculous than suing Remington.  Kind of like Charles Manson was less crazy than Ted Bundy.

 

If this somehow goes forward and they win..... we have a big problem.

And yet Hillary continues to promote her disingenuous narrative that gun makers are the only industry exempt from liability suits. I don't know of any situation where a valid claim can be made against a company whose product is used for criminal purposes.

 

I listened to her make that same lie last night, and of course Bernie did not hold her accountable for it. I was ready to throw up.

But then I realized that it was my fault for even watching that crap.

It's a farse for literally anyone with out a brain. Gun manufactures can be sued, just not for what they wish. The laws were created because the cases are literally not winnable in the realms of liability.

 

Paul Walker POS daughter tried to pull this bullshit on Porsche..

Having read up on this elsewhere, the defendants sought to have it dismissed based on jurisdiction and refused to have that read otherwise. So for whatever reason, those representing bushmaster etc. have decided to not lead with the most likely winner for whatever strategic reason. 

This is nuts! If there is a defect in my Ford that causes me to hit a child. Ford can be sued. If I drove my Ford drunk and hit a child. I can be sued. The car worked as it should.

 

If there is a defect in my gun that causes it to shoot someone. The gun maker can be sued. If some ass hat shoots someone. The ass hat can be sued. The gun worked as it should.

 

This is common sense that Hillary can't seem to grasp.

In NJ the long (illegal) wait times for FIDs and pistol purchase permits I have heard (Although not legitimately) are attributed to the signing LEO chief not wanting to be responsible for giving someone access to a firearm that shouldn't have one. So why isn't The LEO that signed off on Mrs. Lanza's gun card being sued? If the firearm manufacturer can be sued in spite of the Protect of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act. Why can't the department the OK'd Mrs. Lanza the authority to buy it and ultimately allowing Adam to come into possession/control of it, be sued? For that matter why isn't the estate of Mrs. Lanza being sued and why isn't Mrs.Lanza being named as a responsible party in the shooting?

 

If we're comparing apples to apples these questions are legitimate

The CLEO that signed off on her FPID ran a background check on Mrs.Lanza and had no reason to deny her. How could he have known

her son would grow up to be a psychopath?

She could probably be sued for allowing her psychopathic kid to have access to her guns and ammo! What would suing her get them though? Blood from a stone?

Remington has deep pockets. A much better target but a snowball's chance in hell of winning any suit since their product worked as designed!

This is nuts! If there is a defect in my Ford that causes me to hit a child. Ford can be sued. If I drove my Ford drunk and hit a child. I can be sued. The car worked as it should.

 

If there is a defect in my gun that causes it to shoot someone. The gun maker can be sued. If some ass hat shoots someone. The ass hat can be sued. The gun worked as it should.

 

This is common sense that Hillary can't seem to grasp.

Ah.. But research some aviation lawsuits.

 

Doctor flies his Beech Bonanza into a thunderstorm. Exceed load limits by way of speed/bank.. Plane suffers structural damage. Doctor and plane land on earth...separately. Family of asshat that flew into a thunderstorm sues Beech and wins.

 

To borrow a phrase..the product worked as designed. It withstood the stresses it was designed to stand, but failed beyond those limits. The operator however failed to operate the aircraft as required by procedures established by the manufacturer.

 

There are many others that are even more egregious in the aviation industry.

 

For a long time, and maybe still, a third of the cost of a new plane is product liability insurance. Its why my $60k plane costs $550k new.

 

The issue? Judges are clueless about aviation. So they allow huge deference to those suing Aviation companies. If these sorts of "gun" lawsuits do not get dismissed, we will see that same thing in the firearms industry.

 

File this one under effing ridiculous.

 

http://www.aopa.org/News-and-Video/All-News/1993/December/1/Pilot-Counsel-(11)

They have FPID's in Connecticut? That friggen sucks.

So why isn't The LEO that signed off on Mrs. Lanza's gun card being sued?

The government generally has the luxury of legislating itself into immunity.

This is typical of Americans not taking responsibility or accountability for actions.  I have this discussion with my girlfriend constantly, about the degradation of responisbility and misplace of blame due to the domino effect of actions.  Now, instead of your child being responsible for being shot while robbing a bank, it is somehow is the police's fault for shooting him when your child had a gun to a hostage's head.  Instead of the trailer park princess being responsible for eating too much fast food and having a heart attack, it is somehow McDonalds who is at fault for the fat cow munching down three cheeseburgers a day.  Our youth and even many grown ass adults can't grasp the concept of accountability.

 

A close friend's little brother received his license at 17.  Daddy bought him a brand new Audi the same day, and guess what happened?  Not too long after the kid took the Audi and got in with three of his friends, they got drunk and he smashed it through a pole in Mt. Laurel.  What did daddy do to punish him?  Well he paid all the legal fees and bought him another brand new car not too long after.  How can our youth possibly place blame correctly and take responsibility when they fuck up, if they never have to suffer the consequences of their actions?  By buying him a brand new car, you are indulging his behavior and telling him what he did was not wrong.  This is a micro example of a very macro problem we have in this country.

 

The parents of the children who died in Sandy Hook are hurt and grieving.  But instead of placing the blame on the nutjob wacko that killed their children, they blame Remington for the problem.  I could just as easily take my vehicle and drive it into a crowd of people at an event, do you think Ford would be blamed for my misdoing?   These people need to get a grip and realize that the responsibility of this heinous crime is lain solely on the person who had the mindset and will to do it.  Remington did not intend for your children to be killed, nor do they intend for their product to be used in any brutal crime.  It is a tool, nothing more than a tool.  If he could not pick up a rifle, he would've picked up a knife.  If he couldn't pick up a knife, he would pick up a baseball bat.  Lets sue Louisville Slugger.

They have FPID's in Connecticut? That friggen sucks.

 

 

Mrs. Lanza lived in Hoboken, NJ as I recall.

This is typical of Americans not taking responsibility or accountability for actions.  I have this discussion with my girlfriend constantly, about the degradation of responisbility and misplace of blame due to the domino effect of actions.  Now, instead of your child being responsible for being shot while robbing a bank, it is somehow is the police's fault for shooting him when your child had a gun to a hostage's head.

Americans, eh?

 

In which country that you come from do people take responsibility for themselves instead of relying on police? Where you from?

 

BTW, there are no Americans in Hoboken.

Mrs. Lanza lived in Hoboken, NJ as I recall.

No, she lived in CT.

 

Her ex lived in NJ

No, she lived in CT.

 

Her ex lived in NJ

 

 

Looked it up.  Yup, she lived in Newtown.  Not sure where I got the Hoboken stuff from.  Thought I heard a report back when it happened.

Americans, eh?

 

In which country that you come from do people take responsibility for themselves instead of relying on police? Where you from?

 

BTW, there are no Americans in Hoboken.

 

 

Responsibility for actions and causality.

The CLEO that signed off on her FPID ran a background check on Mrs.Lanza and had no reason to deny her. How could he have known

her son would grow up to be a psychopath?

She could probably be sued for allowing her psychopathic kid to have access to her guns and ammo! What would suing her get them though? Blood from a stone?

Remington has deep pockets. A much better target but a snowball's chance in hell of winning any suit since their product worked as designed!

I know this stuff wouldn't happen, but my point is if the gun maker is being sued why couldn't or shouldn't the parties I mentioned?

The CLEO that signed off on her FPID ran a background check on Mrs.Lanza and had no reason to deny her. How could he have known

her son would grow up to be a psychopath? How could the gun maker have know the gun would be unsecured by the qualified owner and then stolen by a psychopath and used in a crime? No more than the CLEO but ones being sued and the other not.

She could probably be sued for allowing her psychopathic kid to have access to her guns and ammo! What would suing her get them though? What it would get them isn't the point. The point is where does the responsibility for what happened lie? Its being placed on the least guilty party while the parties that where actually part or the chain of events go unmentioned.

Looked it up. Yup, she lived in Newtown. Not sure where I got the Hoboken stuff from. Thought I heard a report back when it happened.

Older son was living in hoboken