Got a friend who has enough land and has local ordinances allowing discharge of firearms.

 

In our transport laws, it says you can only travel to a place of hunting, a target range or other "authorized place". practicehttp://www.nj.gov/oag/newsreleases16/Transporting-Firearms_Guidelines.pdf (SEE PAGE 2)

 

So is it illegal to bring firearms over my buddy's place? i.e. is my friend's property "authorized"?

We will only tell you if we all get an invite

 

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If it is a long gun, have at it.

What about about handguns? We both have our FID's and got P2P's for the handguns when they were purchased.

What about about handguns? We both have our FID's and got P2P's for the handguns when they were purchased.

Unless he has an actual range like one with members then no handguns

 

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Is that based on a different piece of legislation or is that based on LEO's being more harsher on handguns?

Is that based on a different piece of legislation or is that based on LEO's being more harsher on handguns?

It is based on the law.  Handguns are totally illegal in NJ except by specific exemption.  Your friend's house is not an exemption, unless your rent a room there or partly own the business that operates there, etc....

It is based on the law.  Handguns are totally illegal in NJ except by specific exemption.  Your friend's house is not an exemption, unless your rent a room there or partly own the business that operates there, etc....

 

Stupid NJ law logic. It's ok to shoot a rifle projectile that can travel miles, but not a pistol round. That makes a lot of sense...

Stupid NJ law logic. It's ok to shoot a rifle projectile that can travel miles, but not a pistol round. That makes a lot of sense...

Don't shoot the messenger, reserve that for demotards in Trenton

See NJC 2C:39-6f(3)b.

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Allows a person to transport ANY  firearm or knife while traveling provided that person is going directly to or from ANY target range, or authorized place for the purpose of practice, match, target, trap, or skeet shooting exhibitions.  

 

It has been explained to me both ways. One, what you are asking can be done provided you go directly to and from the farm and the farm is a legal place for target practice. See definitions of targets ranges 

 

And two, by being a member of  a NJ authorized rifle and pistol club (files charter with NJSP) you can indirectly travel to the farm for practice, providing it is a legal place for target practice.

 

However, you gain more latitude by being a member of a NJ authorized club. 

 

The law is very tricky here but I believe it can be done.

 

See Nappen's NJ Law Book 2014 on target ranges, exemptions, and transportation by automobile

See NJC 2C:39-6f(3)b.

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Allows a person to transport ANY firearm or knife while traveling provided that person is going directly to or from ANY target range, or authorized place for the purpose of practice, match, target, trap, or skeet shooting exhibitions.

 

It has been explained to me both ways. One, what you are asking can be done provided you go directly to and from the farm and the farm is a legal place for target practice. See definitions of targets ranges

 

And two, by being a member of a NJ authorized rifle and pistol club (files charter with NJSP) you can indirectly travel to the farm for practice, providing it is a legal place for target practice.

 

However, you gain more latitude by being a member of a NJ authorized club.

 

The law is very tricky here but I believe it can be done.

 

See Nappen's NJ Law Book 2014 on target ranges, exemptions, and transportation by automobile

Doesn't it have to be a "licensed"

Range as opposed to some land that someone just says I am going to shoot on? I had always heard it that way but am open to being corrected.

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Holy triple post batman

 

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There are licensed ranges and 'ranges'  take your pick.  I was always told the ranges had to be licensed but reading the law, it does not say that, In fact, Nappen even states by being a member of a NJ approved club you can deviate to the farm for practice provided the farm is OK. 

 

IANAL, but if the farm is 'authorized' meaning nothing in state or local law to stop it, I would say direct travel there and back is OK.  However, the provisions of lending firearms would not apply as it is not a licensed range.  Best to say if the buddy started a gun club, filed the paperwork, limited membership then the broader definition would apply and all would be OK.

Don't shoot the messenger, reserve that for demotards in Trenton

My comment was directed at the inept legislators of this state, not you.

See NJC 2C:39-6f(3)b.

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Allows a person to transport ANY  firearm or knife while traveling provided that person is going directly to or from ANY target range, or authorized place for the purpose of practice, match, target, trap, or skeet shooting exhibitions.  

 

It has been explained to me both ways. One, what you are asking can be done provided you go directly to and from the farm and the farm is a legal place for target practice. See definitions of targets ranges 

 

And two, by being a member of  a NJ authorized rifle and pistol club (files charter with NJSP) you can indirectly travel to the farm for practice, providing it is a legal place for target practice.

 

However, you gain more latitude by being a member of a NJ authorized club. 

 

The law is very tricky here but I believe it can be done.

 

See Nappen's NJ Law Book 2014 on target ranges, exemptions, and transportation by automobile

 

It doesn't say target range so you should be good to go:

 

2C:39-6. Exemptions.

 

 f.     Nothing in subsections b., c. and d. of N.J.S.2C:39-5 shall be construed to prevent:

 

     (1)     A member of any rifle or pistol club organized in accordance with the rules prescribed by the National Board for the Promotion of Rifle Practice, in going to or from a place of target practice, carrying such firearms as are necessary for said target practice, provided that the club has filed a copy of its charter with the superintendent and annually submits a list of its members to the superintendent and provided further that the firearms are carried in the manner specified in subsection g. of this section;

Just go and have fun

Thank you all for the insight so far, I'm not surprised at the ambiguity (spelt/used that word right?) of the law. So it's a risk, if a cop wanted to be a d***.

 

My next question would be: what if we each shot only our respective handguns, and not each other's? i.e. no actual "transfer" occurs?

A personal experience in Allamuchy shooting on private property years back. A neighbor who decided a few hours of shooting was too much called the police. A state trooper showed up, said the neighbor called in a noise complaint. He asked if we could stop shooting to appease the neighbor.  The owner of the property asked if we were breaking any laws, the trooper said he had no idea, he was there for the noise complaint.  We stated we would just continue doing what we were doing then.  He stated he had to go to the neighbors house next and if we could wait until he left there before continuing.  That is exactly what we did.

He filled out his report, only noting the property owners name, went to the neighbors house and nothing more ever became of it.

There was no interest shown in looking at any of our 'toys'.

The property was our target range for the day.

State troopers are typically courteous, but locals are just so unpredictable. My friend has been shooting on his property for years. My only concern is being pulled over on the way there and being booked.

People over think these things. There is no legal definition of "target range" in NJ law. Never saw one in the 40+ years I've been reading laws. Common definition would apply and one would be a place where people practice with firearms.

 

Temporary transfer is another issue. NJ law permits temporary transfer of any firearm (handgun or rifle) during instruction. Doesn't say you have to be a certified instructor as someone claimed in a post long ago. It doesn't say what form instruction takes. It could be "want to see (learn) how my handgun shoots".

 

Take your guns to your friend's range. Shoot one another's guns.

 

What gives me confidence in this statement? The total lack of anyone being arrested for going to someone's private property to shoot. No one has ever been arrested for letting a friend hold their handgun or long gun in their living room.

Thanks, that's kinda the answer I was looking for. I haven't heard of people being busted driving to their friend's house either, it's just I heard about a recent case involving a "deviation" from the route to and from the range and I started familiarizing myself with state law. I guess the trick is to store the arms lawfully in the back and not get pulled over. As long as it's one of those stupid gray areas that most people ignore then that's good enough for me. I don't like taking chances, but at the same time I don't want to drive an hour and pay to use a range when I can shoot on my buddy's backyard.

Thank you all for the insight so far, I'm not surprised at the ambiguity (spelt/used that word right?) of the law. So it's a risk, if a cop wanted to be a d***.

 

My next question would be: what if we each shot only our respective handguns, and not each other's? i.e. no actual "transfer" occurs?

The law states for a transfer at a range the range must operated by a licensed dealer, a leo agency, a legal military org, or a  rifle and pistol club that has filed a copy of its charter with the NJSP and annually submits list of its members to NJSP.  Transfer cannot be for more than 8 in every 24 hours and the owner or other authorized person must be present.

 

This is why I said for your buddy to look into creating his own Rifle and Pistol Club.  

Everyone just remember you asked a question here on the Interwebs, and the answers you get have no legal bearing in a court of law.  So, if you just wait to get the answer you want I am sure you will get it.  Either read the laws yourself and hope your interpretation is correct, or consult a lawyer that specializes in firearms law.  Even that is no guarantee.  Remember the law is only what a given judge or jury decides it might be on a given day.  And welcome to the People's Republic of New Jermany, where all rights come to die.

Don't get me wrong I won't take any of this as gospel. I was just making sure it isn't at least common knowledge that this SHOULDN't be done.

The law states for a transfer at a range the range must operated by a licensed dealer, a leo agency, a legal military org, or a  rifle and pistol club that has filed a copy of its charter with the NJSP and annually submits list of its members to NJSP.  Transfer cannot be for more than 8 in every 24 hours and the owner or other authorized person must be present.

 

This is why I said for your buddy to look into creating his own Rifle and Pistol Club.

 

You didn't read the entire statute. It also allows temporary transfer for training or instruction at any location. Doesn't say anyone need be a certified instructor or what the nature of the training or instruction has to be.

 

Based on what you quoted you can't let someone try any of your guns if shooting at any commercial range. We all know this is permitted.

 

You don't have to be a club, commercial range, police dept etc to temporarily transfer a firearm to someone. It only has to be for training or instruction "at any location".

 No one has ever been arrested for letting a friend hold their handgun or long gun in their living room.

 

I agree with everything you said in your post, but see the article below.   Scott Bach posted this back in 2008.   I had contacted him on 3/17/11 and he refused to provide any names or details.

 

http://blog.nj.com/njv_scott_bach/2008/01/stop_on_your_way_to_target_pra.html

 

 

Lest you think these are the theoretical musings of an alarmist, let me assure you that my files are filled with dozens of cases in which otherwise honest gun owners are regularly prosecuted as criminals under exactly these circumstances. In one case, even a judge whose carry permit had very recently expired was prosecuted as a criminal because he did not fall within one of the stated exemptions when he showed a firearm to someone inside a private home!

NJ Statute: 2C:58-3.1.  Temporary transfer of firearms.

 

a.  Notwithstanding the provisions of N.J.S.2C:39-9, N.J.S.2C:58-2, N.J.S.2C:58-3 or any other statute to the contrary concerning the transfer or disposition of firearms, the legal owner, or a dealer licensed under N.J.S.2C:58-2, may temporarily transfer a handgun, rifleor shotgun to another person who is 18 years of age or older, whether or not the person receiving the firearm holds a firearms purchaser identification card or a permit to carry a handgun. The person to whom a handgun, rifle or shotgun is temporarily transferred by the legal owner of the firearm or a licensed dealer may receive, possess, carry and use that handgun, rifle or shotgun, if the transfer is made upon a firing range operated by a licensed dealer, by a law enforcement agency, a legally recognized military organization or a rifle or pistol club which has filed a copy of its charter with the superintendent and annually submits to the superintendent a list of its members and if the firearm is received, possessed, carried and used for the sole purpose of target practice, trap or skeet shooting, or competition upon that firing range or instruction and training at any location.

I agree with everything you said in your post, but see the article below.   Scott Bach posted this back in 2008.   I had contacted him on 3/17/11 and he refused to provide any names or details.

 

http://blog.nj.com/njv_scott_bach/2008/01/stop_on_your_way_to_target_pra.html

Without details these are notional accounts. It is impossible to comment on something without details.

 

I'm not defending NJ gun laws. However prior to the recent clarification on "directly to and from a range" there were people coming up with hypothetical situations. They were running out of gas, fainting from lack of food, peeing and crapping their pants, and driving their guns directly home even after being injured by debris from a falling zeppelin.