Just now, mossburger said:

For people in places like CA or NY or god forbid maybe even here, where you essentially cannot have a pistol grip. Those monster man grips are stupid, I've tried them out of curiosity and at that point would rather just have a regular stock.

There are other guns.  Mini 14, Ares SCR, Saiga 7.62 etc.

There are other guns.  Mini 14, Ares SCR, Saiga 7.62 etc.

Options are always good...

Plus, if Ruger can do it at a lower price point, it should lower the prices of other compliant firearms... in theory.

Absolutely. I'm just always down for something new and creative. And I enjoy there being lots of options. 

56 minutes ago, Ray Ray said:

If anything, make a bunch of common magwell adaptors for all the big name pistol companies.  Not just Glock.

I think the reason they picked Glock is because they have the biggest chunk of the police market.

I think the reason they picked Glock is because they have the biggest chunk of the police market.

Probably a part of it...

With 9mm carbines, a few use different pistol magazines. Beretta and KelTec are the bigger ones and you have a few different options/calibers. But you also have the MP5, Scorpion, and MPX magazines. None of those really got to a standard pistol carbine status beyond two; Colt AR and Glock magazines. High capacity (33 round Glock magazines, but even 17 rounders are decent), somewhat affordable, and pretty reliable. The other three, either are too new or too expensive.

With Glock being such a big seller, and most people always asking if a carbine takes Glock magazines, they listened to the market. Ruger definitely does put their ear to the pavement to see what is desired... as what occurred with the SR1911 (Series 70 was very odd for Ruger) and Precision Rifle (an affordable, entry long range rifle). They tried with the Red Label, but utterly failed. I like to see the moving away from the Bill Ruger sales formula.

I think Ruger could jump into shotguns with a decent design... but don’t think too many would move away from proven designs. Would have to be a real “game changer.” [emoji41]

1 hour ago, Screwball said:

I think Ruger could jump into shotguns with a decent design... but don’t think too many would move away from proven designs. Would have to be a real “game changer.” 

 

That would either be huge or a major failure.  It's kind of hard to get into this market for a number of reasons.

1.  Remington and Mossberg have the market cornered.

2.  Guys buy many handguns, a few semi auto rifles but USUALLY only one scattergun.  And that scattergun is either an 870 or 500/590/590A1.

2 hours ago, GRIZ said:

I think the reason they picked Glock is because they have the biggest chunk of the police market.

A shrinking market, but yes. Civilian market, nope.  The other wonder 9s have all caught up and they are all pretty much the same.

P320 magwell, M&P magwell, 92/M9 magwell, and so on and so forth.  I'm not saying the gun should be made in those magwells, but maybe a webstore order of whatever your flavor is.

I want to believe that once the rifle goes mainstream there will be vendors that can create a magwells for all the popular platforms.

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34 minutes ago, Matroskin said:

I want to believe that once the rifle goes mainstream there will be vendors that can create a magwells for all the popular platforms.

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I think the quick change magwell swap system on the PC is genius in its simplicity. I also think it would be foolish for Ruger to stop with just 2 adapters. I would buy a magwell for each of my 9mm handguns if offered. Heck, I would buy magwells for handguns I don't own if priced reasonably.

As long as Glock refuses to make the 9mm carbine that tens of thousands of customers have sworn they would buy, other companies like Kel-Tec and Ruger will fill the void and profit.

Ruger is listening to customers more than any other company I can think of and making some really innovative products.

2 hours ago, Ray Ray said:

2.  Guys buy many handguns, a few semi auto rifles but USUALLY only one scattergun.  And that scattergun is either an 870 or 500/590/590A1.

Man I'm odd then.... I have 4...

 

11 minutes ago, Krdshrk said:

Man I'm odd then.... I have 4...

 

I guess we're the odd couple......I have 4 also!

8 hours ago, mossburger said:

Scale this up and chamber it in 5.56 or 7.62x39 please

Wouldn't it be a Mini-14 at that point?

 

23 minutes ago, JohnnyB said:

I guess we're the odd couple......I have 4 also!

I gotta couple more than that but I've been around some time.

5 minutes ago, 124gr9mm said:

Wouldn't it be a Mini-14 at that point?

 

Ruger tried to pump up the Mini 14 to 7.62 NATO back in the 70s.  It didn't work and never hit the market.

A 9mm carbine can't be pumped up to 5.56 or 7.62x39 without drastically changing the design.

If you want a 5.56 or 7.62x39 get a Mini 14 or Mini 30.

I gotta couple more than that but I've been around some time.

More than ten? Because my ten beats their four... [emoji6]

I have the obligatory 870, another pump, an O/U and a S/S. I don't have a  semi auto yet so that is on my short list...Don't tell my wife!

8 minutes ago, Screwball said:

 

More than ten? Because my ten beats their four...

 

Yeah.

You can never have too many scatterguns! Come to think of it, you can never have too many guns, PERIOD!

Ah, but how many have more than one look alike?  True competitors have more than one.  

Give the modularity of the magwell I would bet additional inserts are on the drawing board.  Or I'll crank them out on the 3D printer.

2 minutes ago, JohnnyB said:

You can never have too many scatterguns! Come to think of it, you can never have too many guns, PERIOD!

Tell Leprechaun Phil that in a few weeks.  

I have the obligatory 870, another pump, an O/U and a S/S. I don't have a  semi auto yet so that is on my short list...Don't tell my wife![emoji4]

Got to get a S/S... probably a Cimmarron 1878. I want the exposed hammers.

Do have a 11-87 Police on the list (because two hunting 11-87s aren’t enough), but have a Remington factory folding stock on the way that I likely have to buy an 870 for. Maybe the next Oaks show.

But to be fair, one of my ten is a TAC-14... but I consider it a shotgun since it shoots that ammo. Not a fan of calling it a firearm, being it is classified as one. Can call it a boom stick, doesn’t mean it magically changed.

For the wife point, my fiancé actually told me that she couldn’t tell I bought a new one since the safes are full. Would have to be stupid and leave a dated receipt around. Played it off like I never though that, or used it already. “Yea, had this for years...” [emoji6]

I sneak all new purchases from my car into the safe after she falls asleep! Once there, they all look alike to her!

Don't even think about leaving your guns to your significant other!

"Give me $50, he told me he got it for like a $100".

8 hours ago, JohnnyB said:

You can never have too many scatterguns! Come to think of it, you can never have too many guns, PERIOD!

I concur

10 hours ago, Krdshrk said:

Man I'm odd then.... I have 4...

 

Lol, i should buy stock in Mossberg.   But not everyone has multiple 12 gauges.

I would consider this new Ruger if I did not already own my JR Carbine in 9mm Glock. My JRC is a keeper. Takes all my Glock 9mm mags from G26 up to G34. 

At some point I would like to rent and shoot this Ruger and compare it’s recoil impulse to that of my JRC. Even though it is just a 9mm, I find my JRC’s recoil somewhat bothersome to my arthritic hands. 

I'm so glad I saw this gun before I started building an AR9. With Murphy in now, I see a lot of compliance laws going in to effect. So this gun will be perfect for a compliant rifle carbine.

Are these available anywhere yet?  If not, then any release date?

Probably available this month around the opening of Shot Show, the 23rd...

5 hours ago, JC_68Westy said:

Are these available anywhere yet?  If not, then any release date?

Supposed to start shipping next week. Don't know if that includes ban state model.

1 hour ago, T Bill said:

Supposed to start shipping next week. Don't know if that includes ban state model.

Glad I moved, I may put a can on one of these.