In this article it looks like the bill was amended to accept already pinned and blocked mags. Scroll down to A.2761

 

https://www.ammoland.com/2018/03/new-jersey-gun-owner-rally-success-assembly-ignores-opposition/#axzz5B9AIUa4S

It’s to allow us to alter and pin the mags we already have


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^ it actually doesn't say that either ^ we will have to find out once the bill passes what the ruling is. Some states grandfather it in, some haven't. 

It absolutely does according to that link...if it is correct. 

If you have already permanently blocked and pinned 15 rounders, you’re not going to be able to modify them down to 10 rounds. The wording says you can modify existing mags, but they’re fully aware existing 15 rounders won’t be modifiable. Unless you own hexmags then you can just buy their 10 round internal kit.

On 3/30/2018 at 11:44 AM, Shawnmoore81 said:

It’s to allow us to alter and pin the mags we already have

 

That's the way it reads, here's the text of the amendment:

¹[4.] 5.¹     (New section)  ¹[Any] Except as provided in section 7 of P.L.     , c.   (C.       ) (pending before the Legislature as this bill),¹ a person who legally owns a semi-automatic rifle with a fixed magazine capacity exceeding 10 rounds or a large capacity ammunition magazine as defined under subsection y. of N.J.S.2C:39-1 which is capable of holding more than 10 rounds of ammunition on the effective date of P.L.     , c.     (C.       ) (pending before the Legislature as this bill) may retain possession of that rifle or magazine for a period not to exceed 180 days ¹[from] after¹ the effective date of this act.  During this time period, the owner of the semi-automatic rifle or magazine shall: 

     a.     Transfer the semi-automatic rifle or magazine to any person or firm lawfully entitled to own or possess that firearm or magazine;

     b.    Render the semi-automatic rifle or magazine inoperable ¹or permanently modify a large capacity ammunition magazine to accept 10 rounds or less¹; or

     c.     Voluntarily surrender the semi-automatic rifle or magazine pursuant to the provisions of N.J.S.2C:39-12.

 

https://legiscan.com/NJ/text/A2761/2018

Remember, we'll have 180 days to comply, after it's signed into law, so there's no rush to dump 15 round mags NOW. Just pin them to 10 rounds.

 

14 minutes ago, JR88USMC said:

If you have already permanently blocked and pinned 15 rounders, you’re not going to be able to modify them down to 10 rounds. The wording says you can modify existing mags, but they’re fully aware existing 15 rounders won’t be modifiable. Unless you own hexmags then you can just buy their 10 round internal kit.

I believe that's incorrect, see the text above. You'll be able to modify a large capacity (15 round) to accept 10 rounds or less. That is, if the actual mag can be modified.

 

there is no such thing as permanent.

11 minutes ago, Sniper22 said:

That's the way it reads, here's the text of the amendment:

¹[4.] 5.¹     (New section)  ¹[Any] Except as provided in section 7 of P.L.     , c.   (C.       ) (pending before the Legislature as this bill),¹ a person who legally owns a semi-automatic rifle with a fixed magazine capacity exceeding 10 rounds or a large capacity ammunition magazine as defined under subsection y. of N.J.S.2C:39-1 which is capable of holding more than 10 rounds of ammunition on the effective date of P.L.     , c.     (C.       ) (pending before the Legislature as this bill) may retain possession of that rifle or magazine for a period not to exceed 180 days ¹[from] after¹ the effective date of this act.  During this time period, the owner of the semi-automatic rifle or magazine shall: 

     a.     Transfer the semi-automatic rifle or magazine to any person or firm lawfully entitled to own or possess that firearm or magazine;

     b.    Render the semi-automatic rifle or magazine inoperable ¹or permanently modify a large capacity ammunition magazine to accept 10 rounds or less¹; or

     c.     Voluntarily surrender the semi-automatic rifle or magazine pursuant to the provisions of N.J.S.2C:39-12.

 

https://legiscan.com/NJ/text/A2761/2018

Remember, we'll have 180 days to comply, after it's signed into law, so there's no rush to dump 15 round mags NOW. Just pin them to 10 rounds.

 

I believe that's incorrect, see the text above. You'll be able to modify a large capacity (15 round) to accept 10 rounds or less. That is, if the actual mag can be modified.

 

and in most cases, you can't. If you have P-Mags the floorplates are superglued to the body so you can't take them off. Same goes with any handgun mag that's blocked to 15 rounds.

and in most cases, you can't. If you have P-Mags the floorplates are superglued to the body so you can't take them off. Same goes with any handgun mag that's blocked to 15 rounds.

Not all Pmags have the base epoxied on.

The Bill addresses ALL >10 mags, not just AR mags, or all ready neutered ones.

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Upon looking closer at the status of this bill, Here's what comes up on the Roll Call:

Roll Calls

2018-03-26 - Assembly - Assembly Floor: Table Motion (Y: 49 N: 26 NV: 4 Abs: 0) [PASS]
2018-03-26 - Assembly - Assembly Floor: Third Reading - Final Passage (Y: 48 N: 25 NV: 6 Abs: 0) [PASS]
2018-03-22 - Assembly - Assembly Appropriations Committee: Reported with Amendments (Y: 7 N: 3 NV: 1 Abs: 0) [PASS]
2018-02-28 - Assembly - Assembly Judiciary Committee: Reported Favorably (Y: 5 N: 1 NV: 1 Abs: 0) [PASS]

So, can the Legal Eagles here interpret that? Was the Bill "parked" and Tabled after it was voted on and not passed to the Senate? Any ideas?

https://legiscan.com/NJ/bill/A2761/2018

 

 

Passed Assembly sent to Senate. No Action by Senate to this date.

 

History

Date	Chamber	Action
2018-03-26	Assembly	Passed by the Assembly (48-25-3)
2018-03-26	Assembly	Motion To Table (Pintor Marin) (49-26-0)
2018-03-26	Assembly	Motion To Aa (Rooney)
2018-03-22	Assembly	Reported out of Assembly Comm. with Amendments, 2nd Reading
2018-03-05	Assembly	Reported and Referred to Assembly Appropriations Committee
2018-02-01	Assembly	Introduced, Referred to Assembly Judiciary Committee

I'm not familiar how this crap works, why would there be a Motion to Table on the same day of the vote, if it was passed to the Senate. Wouldn't it say in the roll call that it was sent to the Senate?

 

3 minutes ago, Sniper22 said:

I'm not familiar how this crap works, why would there be a Motion to Table on the same day of the vote, if it was passed to the Senate. Wouldn't it say in the roll call that it was sent to the Senate?

 

The timeline is most recent action at Top. Passed 

Also, just checked, the sister bill in the Senate S102, doesn't seem to have had any forward movement lately:

1/9/2018 Introduced in the Senate, Referred to Senate Law and Public Safety Committee
http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2018/Bills/S0500/102_I1.HTM

 

2 minutes ago, Sniper22 said:

Also, just checked, the sister bill in the Senate S102, doesn't seem to have had any forward movement lately:

1/9/2018 Introduced in the Senate, Referred to Senate Law and Public Safety Committee
http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2018/Bills/S0500/102_I1.HTM

 

And THAT's where Sweeney has it parked ... FOR NOW

3 minutes ago, njJoniGuy said:

And THAT's where Sweeney has it parked ... FOR NOW

Any chance this could be like the National Reciprocity bill for CCW that was passed by the House but is sitting dormant in the Senate in DC? 

Essentially if you have 15/30 P-Mags or any magazine that has already been permanently modified to 15 rounds from a higher capacity, you’re going to need to get creative to re-modify them. Do at your own discretion, but if you bake P-mags in the oven at 250 degrees for 20 minutes, that will soften the glue and a hammer and chisel should be able to break the floor plate free from the glue, and you can add another block to limit it to 10 rounds and re glue it. I’ve done this with other plastics to loosen the glue. It works but don’t come screaming at me if you do it wrong and break something. You’ll need a vice, something to chisel with and a hammer, and a second pair of hands to depress the locking button for the baseplate.

7 minutes ago, Sniper22 said:

Any chance this could be like the National Reciprocity bill for CCW that was passed by the House but is sitting dormant in the Senate in DC? 

Not likely 

It depends completely on the relationship Sweeney has with Gov. Gopher and Georgie Porgie. They both put the screws to him on the 2017 governor election, so he might just be out for blood.  Who knows? At the moment, much as I hate to say it, Sweeney is our best hope for continuing the freedom (or relative lack thereof) we have here in the PRNJ.

I think Sweeney is playing the game and going along with it for now. He knows a good matador doesn’t kill a fresh bull. He waits until he’s been stuck a few times.

All nj democratic politicians are Scumbags.

1 minute ago, silverado427 said:

All nj democratic politicians are Scumbags.

You'll certainly get no argument from me on that point.

28 minutes ago, silverado427 said:

All nj democratic politicians are Scumbags.

 

26 minutes ago, njJoniGuy said:

You'll certainly get no argument from me on that point.

 

I'd say "all ____ politicians". There are few places on Earth where calling someone "a politician" is a complement.

The last time that New Jersey had a conservative governor was 1944. (Charles Edison. Thomas Edison's son. He was a Democrat.) The bad decisions that made the state what it is today go back before most were even born.

I think we're going to see most of features of the bills that Christie vetoed, beginning with 10 round magazine limits on SA firearms, because Sweeney thought that they were a good idea at the time, and probably still thinks that they are a good idea. Or at least not a bad idea.

The NJEA (and, in effect, Murphy by staying out of it) attempted to defeat Sweeney in 2017 and he still won his district by 18 (eighteen) points.

Sweeney knows who's going to be blamed as the state's fiscal slow-motion train wreck unfolds, and it's not going to be him.

If you really want hope in the near future and want to stay semi-local, pray that Cuomo doesn't get re-elected this fall in New York. In a short enough time the SAFE Act will get repealed down to everywhere except New York, Richmond, Kings, Queens and Bronx counties. That's already a bill going through the motions in Albany, but you know Cuomo will veto it. So hope he doesn't get re-elected and support his opponents any way you can. 

 

For anyone to beat Cuomo, they’re going to need unanimous support from the rest of the State, Upstate and West State already oppose Cuomo, the real campaign grounds to beat him will be Rockland, Westchester, Nassau & Suffolk Counties.

7 hours ago, Bob2222 said:

 

Sweeney knows who's going to be blamed as the state's fiscal slow-motion train wreck unfolds, and it's not going to be him.

Winner, winner, chicken dinner!  Give that man a cigar!  BINGO!

Cuomo won in 2014 by winning only 15 of the 62 counties. You know the rest.  

Yup, as long as he gets the support of the 5 boroughs, west chester, rockland, LI. Syracuse & Albany he’s golden.

S102 the state senate companion bill to this one has been scheduled for a kangaroo court hearing before the Senate Law and Public Safety Committee on April 16, 2018.

I expect it will pass (along party lines), just like the near term future I hope for the sponsor and the members of that committee with a D after their name.

To paraphrase Sonny and Cher: And the Beat Down Goes On.

loose lips sink ships.