June 16, 20188 yr Given the very challenging times we are experiencing especially here in NJ, I am taking the liberty of reposting something here that I had posted in the 1st Amendment section three years ago. The broader membership, including the many new forum members that have joined since that time, might benefit from reading it. It as relevant today, if not even more, than it was then. In the many recent threads on the new laws just passed, there is lots of discussion about what the government can or cannot due, might or might not due, or could do if they had the will, etc. I feel it is important to be reminded of history and what ACTUALLY HAPPENED as a point of fact. As has often been said, if we ignore history we are destined to repeat it. My post was as follows: Recently finished reading “Gun Control in the Third Reich-Disarming the Jews and Enemies of the State” by Stephen P. Halbrook. I strongly urge anyone who values our freedoms to read it. Despite the title, it actually covers the period from the birth of the Weimar Republic in 1918 thru the Nazi regime in 1938 and the “Night of Broken Glass”. For me, what is most striking about this book are the parallels between what took place then, and the gun rights challenges we face in the present times. To name a few examples taken directly from various sections of the book: • Vague firearms laws that were harshly enforced • Decree(s) requiring the surrender of all firearms and ammunition else punishment of X years in prison • During the timeline covered by the book; possession of a firearm or ammunition was also punishable by being arrested, shot on the spot, or being sent to concentration camps. • Entire populations being designated as “undesirable” or “unreliable” and banned from possession of firearms. This included not only the Jews but also anyone labeled, for example, as a gypsy or a communist. • Forced Registration. Before Hitler came to power, the government assured that these records would be protected and remain private. Guess what. Subsequently the Nazi’s later took control of these records and used them to further confiscate and persecute gun owners. • Mass confiscations • Needing to convince the local authorities of your need for a firearm and obtain their approval (sound familiar?) • Manufacture and importation of arms severely limited. • Preventing sporting clubs from providing instruction or training to their members. Later, such clubs and associations were banned and/or taken over by the government. • Massive police raids, house to house searches, and confiscation of “military” weapons from civilians. • Need for a license to acquire a firearm or ammunition whether the transaction is commercial or private. • Trade in firearms prohibited at annual fairs, shooting competitions,and other events. • Government officials and police exempted from most of these onerous laws. And so on. As has often been said; “History Repeats Itself”. This is more than reason enough for us to remain ever vigilant to protect our 2nd Amendment Rights.
June 16, 20188 yr Excellent post and I probably will read it someday. I've been saying it for years but everyone says "oh your crazy, that will never happen here." They said the same thing in Armenia (yes I knew about this long before that fat pig on tv made it popular), Cambodia, Bosnia, Ukraine (or was it called Russia when Stalin was killing more than Hitler?) , Darfur, the list goes back further than we know. Looks how fast hillary threw us in a basket and called us deplorable. No one voted for the evil people that started all the genocides over the years because they came out and said "hey vote for me I'm going to start a genocide!" But they put on a disguise and got in office any way. It only takes one bad apple to spoil the whole bushel. "They", the sheep, think it's going to be great just like the UK and Australia. We'll get rid of all the guns and the government will protect us all. There is a storm brewing in those countries right now, it might take 5 years, it might take 50 year but it's not going to end up good. I hope myself and everyone that writes about it is wrong but we all know better. Side note into one of my many observations that go with the big picture...It also helping that Society is being molded right now into a bunch of "stand around and do nothings except get your smart phone out and film it". No one will help anyone anymore because they all live in their personal bubble. No one helps the old lady on the side of the road with the flat tire, no one helps the guy getting jumped in the bank parking lot and no one will help you when "they" come to disarm you.
June 16, 20188 yr Author Louu, With regards to the often stated phrase "oh your crazy, that will never happen here." I agree with you in that I believe it absolutely could happen here given the right circumstances over time. I think it's a function of the human condition, governments, and control. Google "JFPO Genocide Chart". The LOW end of the range of people killed by their own governments in the 20th century is 70+ million. I would venture to guess that there was a time in every one of those countries when the citizenship thought "it could never happen here". Perhaps, just perhaps, part of the reason it has not yet happened here is because we have had a 2nd Amendment.
June 17, 20188 yr Here's an article, written by Halbrook, for the National Review. It gives a very concise overview of his research. https://www.nationalreview.com/2013/12/how-nazis-used-gun-control-stephen-p-halbrook/ If there is any doubt that the 2A was meant to guarantee that every American has the right to bear military style arms, just look back to the US Congress in 1941. Quote No wonder that in 1941, just days before the Pearl Harbor attack, Congress reaffirmed Second Amendment rights and prohibited gun registration. In 1968, bills to register guns were debated, with opponents recalling the Nazi experience and supporters denying that the Nazis ever used registration records to confiscate guns. The bills were defeated, as every such proposal has been ever since, including recent “universal background check” bills. The left has been trying to register our arms and deny 2A rights for over 100 years. They are winning, having taken one small piece of 2A at a time over a period of decades. They have put their "Nazis" (ie leftist socialists) in courtrooms, political offices and out on the streets as "community organizers". They are spreading their propaganda in movies, books and on TV.. Their rational is the same as Hitler's. Just look at the second quote in my sig.
June 17, 20188 yr 26 minutes ago, Scorpio64 said: Here's an article, written by Halbrook, for the National Review. It gives a very concise overview of his research. https://www.nationalreview.com/2013/12/how-nazis-used-gun-control-stephen-p-halbrook/ If there is any doubt that the 2A was meant to guarantee that every American has the right to bear military style arms, just look back to the US Congress in 1941. The left has been trying to register our arms and deny 2A rights for over 100 years. They are winning, having taken one small piece of 2A at a time over a period of decades. They have put their "Nazis" (ie leftist socialists) in courtrooms, political offices and out on the streets as "community organizers". They are spreading their propaganda in movies, books and on TV.. Their rational is the same as Hitler's. Just look at the second quote in my sig. McCarthy was right?
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