As a firefighter this scenario scares the piss out of me. 

https://www.firerescue1.com/line-of-duty-death/articles/385293018-Firefighter-killed-another-critical-after-shooting-at-Calif-explosion/?NewsletterID=24570&utm_source=iContact&utm_medium=email&utm_content=TopNewsMainTitle&utm_campaign=FR1Member&cub_id=[cub_id]

LONG BEACH, Calif.  — A resident of a retirement home in Southern California opened fire on firefighters responding to a report of an explosion the building, killing a veteran fire captain and wounding another firefighter and another person, officials said.

The last thing you’re thinking when responding to what is already could be a significant incident (explosion) is that someone could take shots at you. 

Is being a firefighter justifiable need now.

Don't know if this has changed but back in the 70s NJ Statutes gave firefighters complete police powers enroute to, at the scene, and on the way back from a fire.  I knew a few firefighters in larger cities that surreptitiously carried a J frame or Detective Special in their boot.  I've heard of them displaying the gun but not of one shooting someone.   Like I said this was over 40 years ago.

1 hour ago, voyager9 said:

As a firefighter this scenario scares the piss out of me. 

https://www.firerescue1.com/line-of-duty-death/articles/385293018-Firefighter-killed-another-critical-after-shooting-at-Calif-explosion/?NewsletterID=24570&utm_source=iContact&utm_medium=email&utm_content=TopNewsMainTitle&utm_campaign=FR1Member&cub_id=[cub_id]

 

 

The last thing you’re thinking when responding to what is already could be a significant incident (explosion) is that someone could take shots at you. 

This is nothing new..

Guys were plating up a few years ago..

2 minutes ago, Zeke said:

This is nothing new..

Guys were plating up a few years ago..

I know it has been discussed but I don’t know of any departments that incorporate it operationally except for very specific circumstances (mass shooting response, etc).   Let’s face it, plate armor doesn’t jive well with firefighter PPE. 

24 minutes ago, voyager9 said:

I know it has been discussed but I don’t know of any departments that incorporate it operationally except for very specific circumstances (mass shooting response, etc).   Let’s face it, plate armor doesn’t jive well with firefighter PPE. 

I agree wholeheartedly... but it’s gonna come to the point of “ let it burn”... no?

6 minutes ago, Zeke said:

I agree wholeheartedly... but it’s gonna come to the point of “ let it burn”... no?

Doing a good risk assessment assumes you know the risks ahead of time. If the result of any risk assessment is binary: go, no-go, then you can’t always assume worst-case or you can’t do the job. 

1 hour ago, GRIZ said:

Don't know if this has changed but back in the 70s NJ Statutes gave firefighters complete police powers enroute to, at the scene, and on the way back from a fire.  I knew a few firefighters in larger cities that surreptitiously carried a J frame or Detective Special in their boot.  I've heard of them displaying the gun but not of one shooting someone.   Like I said this was over 40 years ago.

Yep, my uncle was a volunteer firefighter. Some of the neighborhoods he got called to were sketchy, so he kept a small revolver tucked in his boot. Can't blame a person really... they're walking into a very unknown situation.

I'm sorry to hear of this recent case. It's a hell of a thing to be going out with the intention of saving lives and to end up losing your own, particularly when taken on purpose. Horrific really. Ugh, his poor family! That's one toxic mix - grief AND justifiable rage.

51 minutes ago, voyager9 said:

Doing a good risk assessment assumes you know the risks ahead of time. If the result of any risk assessment is binary: go, no-go, then you can’t always assume worst-case or you can’t do the job. 

Exactly..

In the fire academy they had a specific lecture about responding to a potential meth lab. The proprietors would often deploy anti-law enforcement traps for the swat team, like having nails and razor blades jutting out of windowsills. 

My favorite was that some places they would cut a big hole under each window and cover it with a rug. Climb in that window and you wind up in the basement with 2 broken legs.

I’ve been checking all the news i can find but i don’t see any mention if the gun was legal or not. Does anyone know if it was a legally owned gun?