https://www.ammoland.com/2018/08/auto-ordnance-vengeance-custom-wwii-m1-carbine/#axzz5PbP2cauw

 

any evil feature expert care to opine on this.    If its called the "vengence" is it an M1?

https://www.ammoland.com/2018/08/auto-ordnance-vengeance-custom-wwii-m1-carbine/#axzz5PbP2cauw
 
any evil feature expert care to opine on this.    If its called the "vengence" is it an M1?

Illegal in NJ

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N/G in NJ

15 minutes ago, PK90 said:

Illegal in NJ

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Seconded.  Banned by name. Thread over. 

Beautiful gun

You can thank the racist democrats for that being illegal in this state.

Yeah.... I made the mistake of wasting time  trying to come up with a logical reason for the m1 carbine being illegal.  This is where liberal thinking is shown to be devoid of facts and logic.  The best option i can come up with is moving to Pennsylvania and having an m1 being a self bought house warming gift.

1 hour ago, Old Glock guy said:

Seconded.  Banned by name. Thread over. 

Just curious, why is it illegal, the barrell?

 if it wasn't called a carbine would it be Ok?

I thought it was a name thing, does it say M1 carbine on it

M1 Carbine TYPE firearms

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Get a Mini 14 or 30 before they ban them too...

2 hours ago, Bklynracer said:

Just curious, why is it illegal, the barrell?

 if it wasn't called a carbine would it be Ok?

Because back in the 60's there were riots in Plainfield NJ and a bunch of M1's were stolen out of a factory. The answer was to outlaw them, problem solved.

11 minutes ago, siderman said:

Because back in the 60's there were riots in Plainfield NJ and a bunch of M1's were stolen out of a factory. The answer was to outlaw them, problem solved.

This is the short of the story.

This is an important of history that everyone on this forum should learn. 

Google is your friend...

Thanks, will look it up.

Wow! Seems like out of 46 full auto M1's only a few were ever recovered! Considering all of the stolen rifles were full auto, I don't understand why the ban also includes semi auto versions which were never involved!

29 minutes ago, JohnnyB said:

Wow! Seems like out of 46 full auto M1's only a few were ever recovered! Considering all of the stolen rifles were full auto, I don't understand why the ban also includes semi auto versions which were never involved!

Because they knew that one day id really, really want that vengeance m1.

Would be an awesome piece to have. F*** this state and the communist sacks of s**t that run it.

6 minutes ago, Lambo2936 said:

Because they knew that one day id really, really want that vengeance m1.

Would be an awesome piece to have. F*** this state and the communist sacks of s**t that run it.

Don't sweat it.  I had one - the AR platform is head and shoulders above the M-1 Carbine.  No comparison, really.

8 minutes ago, W2MC said:

Don't sweat it.  I had one - the AR platform is head and shoulders above the M-1 Carbine.  No comparison, really.

Yes, but you're comparing a battle rifle to what was probably the first Personal Defense Weapon.

True.......but I haven't missed my M-1 Carbine at all since I got a S&W M&P 15.

33 minutes ago, Lambo2936 said:

Because they knew that one day id really, really want that vengeance m1.

Would be an awesome piece to have. F*** this state and the communist sacks of s**t that run it.

I was thinking the same thing when I read the story.....I would love to own one of those!

absolutely retarded that it's banned

I had heard that the full auto M2 used the exact same receiver as the M1.  Maybe that's why the M1 is banned.

I had heard that the full auto M2 used the exact same receiver as the M1.  Maybe that's why the M1 is banned.

Federally, the M2 receiver is a machine gun, whether it is setup for full-auto or not. Some were sent out as surplus, converted to semi-auto, then shipped back here and sold commercially as regular carbines. ATF believes once a machine gun, always a machine gun...

M1s did have some M2 parts installed. However, the ATF states that a M2 kit is comprised of seven parts. If you don’t have them all, no harm/foul. Have them all, whether installed or not (even without a M1 receiver present), you have a machine gun.

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/firearms-guide-identification-firearms-section-1#M-2Carbine

NJ law, they really don’t go into detail why. Probably part with the riots, part with being able to convert easily to full-auto (criminal on the Federal level, anyways... but probably “feel good” law), and part being how easy it is to cut them down (another Federal law, which correctly calls it a SBR opposed to NJ... which lists such weapons as SBS [emoji849]).

In short, they are illegal in NJ, unless you had it registered as an assault weapon in the early 1990s. Cannot be transferred, even with inheritance, to anyone in NJ.

If there is a new M1 Carbine put out, without that stamped on the receiver, I’d wait for a letter like the M1A/Colt Match Target or Shockwave/TAC-14/BAT DT from the NJSP/AG before taking that chance.

40 minutes ago, Screwball said:

If there is a new M1 Carbine put out, without that stamped on the receiver, I’d wait for a letter like the M1A/Colt Match Target or Shockwave/TAC-14/BAT DT from the NJSP/AG before taking that chance.

You must not remember the last flap about that not too long ago. I would  say that the default position of this NJAG will be NO, and while you are asking, all AK and AR pattern rifles are now banned because they are similar to the banned by name rifles, a la Mass AG not too long ago either.

I will post some gloating pix when I get the chance though

 

Any rifle with CNC/Laser engraving/carving on the stock should be banned on the basis of it being just plain ugly. To take a beautiful rifle like the M1 and pimp it up with all of that is a crime. CNC checkering/laser stippling -> OK. Pictures of battleships/bombers/ and a huge WWII -> NOT. 

14 hours ago, siderman said:

Because back in the 60's there were riots in Plainfield NJ and a bunch of M1's were stolen out of a factory. The answer was to outlaw them, problem solved.

The factory -- "Plainfield machine" was actually in Dunellen -- It's a childs day care now

37 minutes ago, Heavyopp said:

The factory -- "Plainfield machine" was actually in Dunellen -- It's a childs day care now

Funny thing. when I was a kid in the 60's I lived in Piscataway on the Dunellen border. Of course was clueless to all that strife back then.

I've heard stories from family about armed men standing on the rooftop of that building during the riots -- armed with M1 carbines of course

We can only hope that after Judge Kavanaugh and Notorious RBG's replacement are seated on SCOTUS that 2C:39 and 2C:58 will go the way of the Dodo Bird.

RE the riots, my fathers property in Newark can be seen in one of the famous videos from back then of people marching down Clinton Ave. Going there later today to fix some leaks that popped up in the roof... LOL

Just did some reading on the house to house search for the 66 stolen m1 carbines.  It happened before....it can happen again.