1 minute ago, Zeke said:

So we rinse and repeat?

Tip our hat to the new constitution, take a knee and pray we don’t get fooled again?

we certainly don't let our rights get taken away

5 minutes ago, myhatinthering said:

we certainly don't let our rights get taken away

Concur 

1 hour ago, 45Doll said:

no state in the union is 'safe' from the progressive assault.

West Virginia.

35 minutes ago, Scorpio64 said:

West Virginia.

Without vigilance time will erode everything 

That was deep

I impressed myself ... not gonna lie

10 minutes ago, Zeke said:

Without vigilance time will erode everything 

S=K log W

36 minutes ago, Zeke said:

Without vigilance time will erode everything 

That was deep

I impressed myself ... not gonna lie

I’m convinced that you’re almost as smart as people say you think you are

1 hour ago, Zeke said:

Are you talking as an American Citizen living in nj or one living in Arizona?

Does it matter when your Rights are being legislated away?

 

2 hours ago, myhatinthering said:

we certainly don't let our rights get taken away

News flash, they already have been.

56 minutes ago, vjf915 said:

News flash, they already have been.

That’s valid. But do you suggest we storm Trenton?

1 hour ago, voyager9 said:

I’m convinced that you’re almost as smart as people say you think you are

Werd

19 minutes ago, Zeke said:

That’s valid. But do you suggest we storm Trenton?

That's the problem.  When it's chipped away a little at a time, people are much less likely to actually do anything about it.  If NJ banned guns tomorrow, it would be hell.  They reduced mag limits to 5rds, probably nothing.

As for your question, if by "storm" you mean guns blazing, then no I don't think that's appropriate.  If by "storm" you mean some form of aggressive and well attended protest, then that sounds appropriate.  That being said, I'm not going to pretend to know the solution, there are plenty of people that are much smarter than I, and do this for a living.

25 minutes ago, vjf915 said:

That's the problem.  When it's chipped away a little at a time, people are much less likely to actually do anything about it.  If NJ banned guns tomorrow, it would be hell.  They reduced mag limits to 5rds, probably nothing.

As for your question, if by "storm" you mean guns blazing, then no I don't think that's appropriate.  If by "storm" you mean some form of aggressive and well attended protest, then that sounds appropriate.  That being said, I'm not going to pretend to know the solution, there are plenty of people that are much smarter than I, and do this for a living.

We need a revolution organizer?

1 hour ago, Zeke said:

That’s valid. But do you suggest we storm Trenton?

Werd

if needed, I don't see a problem with that.  If gov't doesn't uphold our rights, then what is our recourse?

 

better yet, remember the nonsense when the dems lost the dem challenger due to corruption and Lautenburg got thrown in.  the NJ sc said the state needs dual party reps.  Anyone see the voting map?  pretty clear we need to change the districts

32 minutes ago, Zeke said:

We need a revolution organizer?

Again, depends on your definition of a "revolution".  But not only do you need that, you need people to care enough to show up.

2 hours ago, vjf915 said:

Again, depends on your definition of a "revolution".  But not only do you need that, you need people to care enough to show up.

Want them to show up? Just bring food!

 

2 hours ago, vjf915 said:

depends on your definition of a "revolution"

What do you fight a velvet revolution with?  I'm thinking velvet revolvers maybe.  Or is that too low cap?

On 12/15/2018 at 3:40 PM, vladtepes said:

 

right.. thats the scary thing.. 
there are a lot of people that I have met.. especially in very rural.. very religious areas... that almost appear "at peace" with waking up one day and it being their last day on earth if they are defending things they believe in.. and I mean calmly at peace.. 

there are people that believe guns exist to protect them from the government.. in a principal tradition type way.. 
then there are people that take that LITERALLY.. and a lot of those people appear to live near me.. LOL 

They should be commended....there is nothing wrong with thinking this.....nothing.

They had a protest in Pittsburgh today.. I could not go it was not possible.. 

but January 30 degrees out.. 
they had pretty decent turnout.. 

 

 

Here are some updates.

On January 9th the Allegheny DA sent a letter to the mayor and council advising them they don't have the authority to pass the planned laws.

Today the mayor said 'come and arrest me'.

I hope he gets his request.

The other thing I hope for, if these ordinances pass and are somehow upheld legally, is that several thousand PA gun owners go into Pittsburgh and say 'come and arrest me'.

 

This video is the Pittsburgh City Council hearing on 2/12 regarding their proposed gun laws. John Lott gave testimony. It was a public hearing but did not allow public testimony.

It’s very long. Portions of it are very informative, and other portions are very irritating.

I have not watched the whole thing yet, but I thought I would put it out for your consideration.

The latest is the mayor Peduto is yammering about taking the preemption law to the Supreme Court.

WE HAVE TO START SUPPORTING OUR RIGHTS ACROSS STATE LINES.  If Pittsburgh is having a rally, then 2nd Amendment Advocates, you know the top 5 or 10 percent that actually do the heavy lifting, well they need to be off to those rally's as well. 

When in Trenton, there should be Constitutional Supporters from PA, NY, DE, MD, Etc. helping bring about the numbers, especially since the mother Fudds in NJ (many with their standard capacity mags stuck up their ass) won't get off their asses and leave it to a small few to defend their rights.   This is ONE nation under God and we need to stand together.  As we all know, what happens in NJ doesn't stay there, or in CA, or NY, or MD, or Washington.  

As peaceful and law-abiding citizens we have to stop bending over and start taking the offensive.   There has been too much reasonableness as the socialist, Statist dipshits move the goal posts continuously.   I am an advocate for reasonable politician control by throwing their asses out of office.    

People gave up their lives for our right to own ARs and standard capacity magazines, and WE the relatively small few PEOPLE need to be engaged.  

Playing devil's advocate, though, there needs to be smarter ways than enacting Rallies  to help here at home and across state lines.   The State Media outlets won't effectively report them to the people and the clowns say in Trenton could care less.   That being said, what are your thoughts.  Other than in the courts, what other effective means of being active citizens do you guys recommend?

On ‎2‎/‎23‎/‎2019 at 4:25 PM, 45Doll said:

This video is the Pittsburgh City Council hearing on 2/12 regarding their proposed gun laws. John Lott gave testimony. It was a public hearing but did not allow public testimony.

It’s very long. Portions of it are very informative, and other portions are very irritating.

I watched the whole thing. Let me guess... you found it "informative" listening to speakers like John Lott who came armed with a plethora of graphs, statistics, etc, but you found it "irritating" when the Mayor blithely dismissed all of that evidence? Because that was certainly my reaction. Talk about "confirmation bias" - it seemed to me that mayor is incapable of absorbing any information that doesn't hew to his preconceived notion of "guns = evil". 

That's it Emma. And that's why I don't personally rely on statistical arguments to support the 2A.

Numbers are interesting and useful sometimes to refute popular delusions. But the principles of freedom, personal safety and self defense are not subject to statistical analysis.

1 hour ago, Underdog said:

Playing devil's advocate, though, there needs to be smarter ways than enacting Rallies  to help here at home and across state lines.   The State Media outlets won't effectively report them to the people and the clowns say in Trenton could care less.   That being said, what are your thoughts.  Other than in the courts, what other effective means of being active citizens do you guys recommend?

First, I agree with EVERYTHING you wrote in your post. As to what else can be done....

On a macro-scale, I keep asking... where is the advertising? Where is the compelling 30 second TV spot playing on major networks featuring a woman telling her dramatic story about how she protected herself and her children with a gun (the Great Equalizer) against a larger attacker?... along with a quick tagline showing how many DGU's happen each year?... and maybe pushing back to a lightly branded website with additional DGU info and other people's stories? Maybe get something viral going and get people to upload their own stories of DGU? And where's the spot featuring an armed citizen who came to the aid of someone else? We KNOW these things happen - but they die at the level of local news and are effectively blocked by editors from making it to the national level. I hate to sound critical, I really do, but maybe NRA members should be pushing harder on the organization, letting the NRA know what we want and expect? I am utterly convinced that just 1-2 well-done, potent TV spots that generated "buzz" would give such a huge shot of adrenaline to beleaguered gun owners that NRA donations from existing members and new memberships would absolutely skyrocket. What they're doing now - their website, youtube, magazines - almost all of it is directed to current gun owners. Isn't that "preaching to the choir"? I'm sorry, but it's a inefficient model. I'd like to see more efforts directed towards the general public... winning hearts and minds.

On a state-wide scale, one problem, I think, is that gun owners are completely unrepresented at the Governor's events where press is attending... because he purposely avoids areas where he might be verbally challenged (likely because he doesn't handle those situations very deftly, I've noticed). I keep thinking of that Freehold resident who attended an event the Governor was holding in Newark some months back, and then stood up and challenged him on his tax policy. I think that guy had the right idea. Maybe more of that?... the dissatisfied, well-spoken, armed-with-facts citizen - challenging him at his little tightly controlled press conferences? That's one thing that might help.

Other than that, recruit-recruit-recruit. The more new people you can bring to a range who learn a few facts, the better off we are - even if they never shoot again.

1 hour ago, Underdog said:

That being said, what are your thoughts.  Other than in the courts, what other effective means of being active citizens do you guys recommend? 

We are getting close to this:

6 hours ago, Underdog said:

WE HAVE TO START SUPPORTING OUR RIGHTS ACROSS STATE LINES.  If Pittsburgh is having a rally, then 2nd Amendment Advocates, you know the top 5 or 10 percent that actually do the heavy lifting, well they need to be off to those rally's as well. 

When in Trenton, there should be Constitutional Supporters from PA, NY, DE, MD, Etc. helping bring about the numbers, especially since the mother Fudds in NJ (many with their standard capacity mags stuck up their ass) won't get off their asses and leave it to a small few to defend their rights.   This is ONE nation under God and we need to stand together.  As we all know, what happens in NJ doesn't stay there, or in CA, or NY, or MD, or Washington.  

As peaceful and law-abiding citizens we have to stop bending over and start taking the offensive.   There has been too much reasonableness as the socialist, Statist dipshits move the goal posts continuously.   I am an advocate for reasonable politician control by throwing their asses out of office.    

People gave up their lives for our right to own ARs and standard capacity magazines, and WE the relatively small few PEOPLE need to be engaged.  

Playing devil's advocate, though, there needs to be smarter ways than enacting Rallies  to help here at home and across state lines.   The State Media outlets won't effectively report them to the people and the clowns say in Trenton could care less.   That being said, what are your thoughts.  Other than in the courts, what other effective means of being active citizens do you guys recommend?

I've noticed that NJ doesn't have one person (channel) that focuses on NJ politics/2nd Amendment issues on YouTube.

The State Media seem to focus on controlling the "message" on commercial broadcast and cable TV.  Conservatives in general seem to have a larger slice of the pie (audience) when it comes to AM broadcast radio.  I think we would do well to branch out to other media such as YouTube.  There are a lot of pro 2nd Amendment folks with a channel that research, write, and produce their own channel.  The content doesn't have to be 100% 2nd Amendment related all the time, heck, the knuckleheads in Trenton are always giving us something to write about! 

The content of conservative/2nd Amendment channels are very informative,  the shows are generally entertaining.  Some of these people live in states like NJ (think CA, MA, IL, and MD).  Others live in "free" states such as WV, VA, and MO. 

One caveat to this is you have to look good in front of a camera!  For example, check out videos by "Liberty Doll" on YouTube.  She has several 2nd Amendment-related videos and lives in "Massachusetts-stan".  Its clear she's reading from a script, however, she researches her topics well and gets her point across by the end of the video.

I would gladly make a contribution to someone willing to embark on this type of endeavor.

Well, anyway, the gentlemen above posed the question and I had an idea to throw out there.

 

 

If I had a dollar for every time I've spent thinking about doing a 2A YouTube Channel, I'd be a wealthy woman already. Seriously, I have video scripts essentially written in my head. 

39 minutes ago, dilbert1967 said:

One caveat to this is you have to look good in front of a camera! 

But, your point above is exactly what stops me in my tracks. YouTube attracts a youngish, largely male crowd - I think I read the their avg viewer is a yound guy in his mid-20's - and I am a plump, middle-aged broad - definitely not a match LOL!! I'm afraid my camera-friendly, hottie days are long gone. 

Though frankly, I continue to toy with finding a way to do it anyway - like perhaps a moderated "voiceover" rather than an on-camera role? I mean, it's something I think we're really missing. But, then again, the pro-2A movement has a LOT of PR pieces that are "missing" - that's only one of many! We are definitely less organized, that's for damn sure.

I don't think your appearance would matter as much if the message was there.   Those 20 something are viewing other types of websites.  There is a female audience and middle-aged audience as well .  And besides gun-totin females have at least a plus three attractive point advantage.  So, if you are a 6 or 7, that would put you at about a 9 or 10 .  A plump, middle-age woman with an AR would certainly catch their attention, just as i am sure it does with your husband.  If my wife was only interested in the 2nd Amendment and that minty fresh gun lube.... On the other hand what goes in the safe stays in the safe.  She's better off not knowing what is in the safe.  

There are already possible outlets.  I am sure that NJ2AS and Alexander would welcome and support some more content for the channel.  The SAW group might be willing to be part of that as well.  I think there was a group that had women go to Washington DC from every state... lots of avenues.  And there certainly could be more avenues.  I would subscribe!

But the question is who are you trying to reach.  Sure those boys/young men that frequent Youtube, but they are Millennials and have been taught to be wussies.  Girls and young women are the most important group to get on board with the 2nd Amendment and our rights.  That is the segment that has to grow.  School Boards need to stop filling schools with liberal-dipshit teachers whose hands are tied and who have to follow no tolerance policies with little or no common sense.  Men tend to follow the cues from their 2nd half (in my experience) in general.   If I could only get my hispanic better half on board...

So, where is the support from the NRA?   The NRA stands up for our rights and we would be lost without it, however, it also gets more revenue every time Pelosi or Boxer act up.  Or when their is an election.   I am sure the NRA loves Clinton with all of the revenue that she brought them.  Where is the support from other 2nd Amendment capitalists in NJ besides Gun for Hire?  

The problem is that our side doesn't' organize, and doesn't get ANY media coverage.  it is always on the fringe with the crazy statist media controlling everything.  Our group has a lot of babies that want everything handed to them or fudds with their mags up their butts.  We have a very small voice to put forth our larger than life message of freedom and responsiblity and it is trying to be silenced at every turn from corporations to Pay Pal, youtube iself to Scroogle, Bloomship, the NY Slimes, etc. and the Republican morons do little to help us and the Democrats cut us with a thousand wounds every chance they get.   We certainly need an interstate "Pipeline" which lets people in OTHER states know what is going on, and how we all can each support and help each other.  WE have the silent majority that counts....  (armed, employed, tax payers and citizens that contribute to society) and we need to be as Organized as Bloomturd and the other Statists that want to fundamentally change our relationship to the STATE.   Then we have idiots like the Gun for Hire franchise that probably have just as many Fudds in their neck of the woods that don't realize that these brainwashed, crazy liberals are moving in their direction and will eventually setup entitlement houses there, too, and that badmouth our efforts without lifting a finger to help us.  Kudos to Armed American Radio by the way.  I bet you that national program would make time for a voice....

People in AZ and other places need to know what is coming to an area near them, especially when liberals crawl into their states after decimating nearyby states.  They have to be acutely aware that "being reasonable" gets them no where, as the control freaks have no intention of stopping.  Many would not believe the shit that we have to put up with from these  Mother Fudruckers in this state, from the illegal and unconstitutional laws to the police state and the very unjust penalties for the entrapping and ridiculously crafted laws and then the Mickey Mouse courts with their liberal yellow submarine activist interpretation of the laws.  There really does need to be an interstate pipeline.  The NRA is the logical group to implement this, but it is too busy robo calling because the millions of dollars are just not enough.    

 

 

 

20 hours ago, Mrs. Peel said:

If I had a dollar for every time I've spent thinking about doing a 2A YouTube Channel, I'd be a wealthy woman already. Seriously, I have video scripts essentially written in my head. 

But, your point above is exactly what stops me in my tracks. YouTube attracts a youngish, largely male crowd - I think I read the their avg viewer is a yound guy in his mid-20's - and I am a plump, middle-aged broad - definitely not a match LOL!! I'm afraid my camera-friendly, hottie days are long gone. 

Though frankly, I continue to toy with finding a way to do it anyway - like perhaps a moderated "voiceover" rather than an on-camera role? I mean, it's something I think we're really missing. But, then again, the pro-2A movement has a LOT of PR pieces that are "missing" - that's only one of many! We are definitely less organized, that's for damn sure.

You write very well.  Why not have someone that meets the "qualifications" read your script?

45 minutes ago, dilbert1967 said:

You write very well.  Why not have someone that meets the "qualifications" read your script?

Then you're locked into someone else's availability - you're building your "brand" on their face, etc. But, I have considered doing interviews with people and focusing on THEM. Anyway, I didn't mean to hijack the thread - it's just that I've had similar thoughts as you for awhile now. Eh, maybe it's time to buy a camera and just get started?  Frankly, I'd love to see a bunch of people doing their own thing - to some extent, the more VOLUME of pro-2A messaging out there, the better.

They have added a 'ban on use'. Here's the nut of it:

§ 1102.02 PROHIBITION ON USE OF ASSAULT WEAPONS

A. It shall be unlawful to use any assault weapon in any public place within the City of Pittsburgh.

B. For purposes of this Section, "public place" shall include streets, parks, open spaces, public buildings, public accommodations, businesses and other locations to which the general public has a right to resort, but does not include a private home or residence or any duly established site for the sale or transfer of firearms or for firearm training, practice or competition.

C. For purposes of this Section, "use" of an assault weapon does not include possession, ownership, transportation or transfer. "Use" of an assault weapon shall include, but is not limited to:

1. Discharging or attempting to discharge an assault weapon;

2. Loading an assault weapon with ammunition;

3. Brandishing an assault weapon;

4. Displaying a loaded assault weapon;

5. Pointing an assault weapon at any person; and

6. Employing an assault weapon for any purpose prohibited by the laws of Pennsylvania or of the United States.

D. For purposes of this Section, there shall be a rebuttable presumption that an assault weapon is loaded if fitted with a magazine.

I believe criminal complaints will still be filed against the mayor and council regardless of the change.

This story explains the addition of the usage ban, and why.