I agree with tbtrout, and everyone else who can say that if an agent (agent meaning "human individual," a being who can be defined as a human due to self-awareness, etc) makes the conscious decision to enter a household with the intention of breaking the law, a course of actions should be taken... but if I find myself in a situation of whether or not to pull the trigger, the situation has obviously escalated to a point in which action must be taken regardless. It seems detrimental that the person who has chosen to commit crime would be given precedence over an individual who's potential might be cut short because of said "bad person."

 

Personally, when I was talking to my local PD during my FID process, they asked what the major reason was for wanting to purchase. I told them the main reason was of course home defense. What my PD told me is (and I know it varies from PD to PD) if I am in a situation where I have taken aim of the intruder, I would most likely only suffer consequences if the intruder has already turned and fled. Seems like a no brainer, but in stress situations, perspective is a weird tool.

I agree with tbtrout, and everyone else who can say that if an agent (agent meaning "human individual," a being who can be defined as a human due to self-awareness, etc) makes the conscious decision to enter a household with the intention of breaking the law, a course of actions should be taken... but if I find myself in a situation of whether or not to pull the trigger, the situation has obviously escalated to a point in which action must be taken regardless. It seems detrimental that the person who has chosen to commit crime would be given precedence over an individual who's potential might be cut short because of said "bad person."

 

Personally, when I was talking to my local PD during my FID process, they asked what the major reason was for wanting to purchase. I told them the main reason was of course home defense. What my PD told me is (and I know it varies from PD to PD) if I am in a situation where I have taken aim of the intruder, I would most likely only suffer consequences if the intruder has already turned and fled. Seems like a no brainer, but in stress situations, perspective is a weird tool.

 

Never shoot a man in the back. Maybe the leg or something...

Personally, when I was talking to my local PD during my FID process, they asked what the major reason was for wanting to purchase. I told them the main reason was of course home defense. What my PD told me is (and I know it varies from PD to PD) if I am in a situation where I have taken aim of the intruder, I would most likely only suffer consequences if the intruder has already turned and fled. Seems like a no brainer, but in stress situations, perspective is a weird tool.

 

It might seem like a no brainer to us but the problem is that the law is likely to be interpereted but someone who may have his own agenda-an ambitious DA might find it politically advantagous to prosecute a dangerous gun nut

"dangerous gun nut"

The Brady gun grabbers would like to see "arsenal" described by law as 5 or more guns (hand, long, shot... doesn't matter) and more than 250 rounds of ammunition stored in a single location.

 

Edit to add:

I asked a 2A/RKBA question on another forum, and was directed to this thread on yet another forum. It's long and a bit contentious, but it's a discussion of mostly members of LE on gun rights. An interesting read.

http://forums.officer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56570

 

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The Brady gun grabbers would like to see "arsenal" described by law as 5 or more guns (hand, long, shot... doesn't matter) and more than 250 rounds of ammunition stored in a single location.

 

250 rounds? Man, I had that a week after I got my first gun!

AFter 22 years as a Police Officer, and been in the position to TRAIN new cops in writing reports, they absolute KEY in a situation like this is the ability to articulate why you took the actions you did. If, god forbid you're involved tell the officers after you turn over your weapon. "I'm not trying to make your life difficult, and I realize you have a Job to do, but I dont want to make any statements without my attorney present". Be polite, be Helpful without making any statements as to what happened. DO NOT, however take the Arfcom Option and spout off "Screw You im not saying Nothin". Thw Majority of guys will understand and respect that, since we pretty much have the same procedure for when WE'RE involved in LOD shootings. Remember the Cop on the Scene, and the Detectives can be all for you...but it wont matter a DAMN if you have a County Prosecutor with a hardon for gunowners, which is why you need to protect yourself, and make sure you have your wots about you before making any statements.

AFter 22 years as a Police Officer, and been in the position to TRAIN new cops in writing reports, they absolute KEY in a situation like this is the ability to articulate why you took the actions you did. If, god forbid you're involved tell the officers after you turn over your weapon. "I'm not trying to make your life difficult, and I realize you have a Job to do, but I dont want to make any statements without my attorney present". Be polite, be Helpful without making any statements as to what happened. DO NOT, however take the Arfcom Option and spout off "Screw You im not saying Nothin". Thw Majority of guys will understand and respect that, since we pretty much have the same procedure for when WE'RE involved in LOD shootings. Remember the Cop on the Scene, and the Detectives can be all for you...but it wont matter a DAMN if you have a County Prosecutor with a hardon for gunowners, which is why you need to protect yourself, and make sure you have your wots about you before making any statements.

 

Very very very good post.

Use of deadly force in the protection of property has been denied for many years. I don't think my car is worth someone's life.

 

 

Even if I was able to carry in NJ, If someone wanted my car, by all means, let them. You can replace a car, you cannot replace your life.

 

I lived in a rought neighborhood, and went to a very rough school, Elizabeth, NJ. Ever since the age of 13, I started taking martial arts, weapons training with bo staff, kama's, etc, 5 days a week, sometimes 6. Just because I had that training, didnt mean I ever wanted to get involved in a fight. In fact, my entire life I was only involved in one fight.

 

Same thing, my instructor, 10th degree black belt, president of the American Kickboxing Assocciation, the one thing he always encouraged is confict avoidance. One day, he was mugged in the city outside of his dojo. Someone came up to him with a gun and a knife, and asked for his wallet. He simply let them have it.

 

When I asked, he said.. "If he only had a knife, I might of wanted to fight him, but another one had a gun. You cannot duck bullets, no matter how much training you have."

 

I am 100% positive, if the robber only had a knife or there was less than 5 of them, he would of potentially kill them, or seriously injure them.