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I don’t think this is about him as a person. This is about the principal of .gov overreach. I’ll grant you his prior history is pretty fucked up, but his choosing to take a stance against the govt has nothing to do with that.

I think we are going off the rails. The subject was about a little guy/business standing up for himself. His history is a whole different subject, should this be of such importance, make a new and separate thread about his character. But if you base your stand on a principle instead of a man's past, you will likely never take a stand anywhere.

I’ve been doing a lot of bird watching lately.

It sounds like this gym owner dude may be a total dirt bag, or at least did one thing we can all pretty much agree was despicable in the past. I'll take the info provided at face value. I don't really see what that has to do with his actions now. You either agree with them or don't. Personally, I think the government has stepped over a boundary here, and people have a right to push back whether they're a dirt bag or a saint. I don't think we should all be rushing out to crowd into a gym and cough all over each other risking spreading this disease further., however, it sounded like they made a solid effort to operate in as safe a manner as they could. What right does the government have to tell a business they can't operate at all? And what right do they have to tell me I can't go partake of the services or products offered by a privately operated business if I want to? People will be idiots. I get that. But I don't remember being born into a society that operated under the assumption that we needed daddy and mommy to tell us whether we are allowed to try and make a living. I get that the situation we are in is extreme, but I don't see nearly enough effort being made in consideration of people's livelihoods. Oooo... yay $1,200. How many people did that help cover their rent for one month? Thanks! I'll enjoy paying that and then some back in taxes later. If the government sees "protecting the public" as their duty then they need to wise up to the fact that peoples livelihoods need protection just as much as their health. Otherwise, butt out, provide some guidance, and realize this is 'Murica dammit! We'll figure this out and get through it. It's what we do.

One of the easiest ways to enhance both the function and/or the aesthetics of your handgun is with custom grips. The beauty is that it is easily reversible or changeable if, down the road, your tastes change. I have been working through my S&W revolvers and either changing to the Smith smooth target offerings, or custom offerings. Smooth S&W grips are usually goncalo alves, but rosewood and even maple have also been used. Here's an example of smooth grips (these are presentation grips - meaning they are relieved on the R/S to show a custom roll mark on the side plate... They made them in configurations for the various frame sizes and grip frames. Here is a set of what are called "banana" grips (for obvious reasons). They are shown on a Model of 1953 22/32 Kit Gun... And then there are the all-out custom grips. I've installed elk stag grips on a number of my guns. Ken Driskill is the maker and he does terrific work at more than reasonable prices. However, you can't place an order with Ken. This is a hobby for him and he makes what he wants, when he wants, so it's a matter of being in the right place at the right time to get a set of his grips. He advertises them for sale on the S&W forum and also on Gun Broker (GB ID = bigmtnman). Here's a set of Ken's stag grips on my model 25-14... As far as custom grips in wood, there are three makers who are the pre-eminent craftsmen of S&W grips. They are Craig Spegel, John Culina and Keith Brown. Craig Spegel makes boot grips, however he also makes an extended version of his boot grip, which, in essence, are full size grips. Craig is 63 and currently has a two year waiting list for revolver grips. I was fortunate to purchase a gun that turned out to have Spegel grips on it - unbeknownst to the seller (a large gun store in the Pacific NW). These are ebony boot grips on a model 25-3. If they look familiar, Craig did the design of the Uncle Mike's rubber boot grips... The Culinas, John and Jennifer, make grips in the style of the stock S&W grips, but better shaped, better quality and some beautiful woods. Here are two examples of John's work. The first is a Target grip and the second is a Combat grip (both on models 24-3). Both are made with "bubble" maple - a variety of birdseye in which the "eyes" look three-dimensional (very hard to capture that effect in a picture)... And last, but certainly not least, is Keith Brown. Keith also has a two year backlog and is not accepting new orders at this time. He is a master at both the carving of the grips and the checkering. He may be best known for his Roper style grips with Roper's iconic ribbon checkering pattern. I just got these today (there are some available through brokers or private parties) - I will say that I have paid less for some Smiths in my collection than I paid for these grips, but I so love the Roper pattern that I just had to have the best. I passed bidding on a scarce Model 28 so that I could buy these grips... There are lots of commercial manufacturers also. Some of the best known are Hogue, Altamont, Eagle, Badger, Pachmayr, Nills, KSD and others. The truly custom makers are dwindling. Ahrends and Herretts are both out of business, hopefully others will pick-up the mantle. Adios, Pizza Bob

I just saw and read a rebuttal from the guy stating that the megaphone was not his and was handed to him. He states that he is in no way a white nationalist and has a muti-racial family. Smear campaigns are used all the time to discredit people that are opposing the government. This seems to be just the kind of attack. I get that the guy drove drunk and killed someone in 2007 and served time in prison for it. You state that he has "known ties to a white supremacist group". Do you know that this is in fact true? If not, then this is a pretty reckless statement to make on the forum. I don't know the man or enough about him to judge him. It could be true, or not. It is irresponsible to post a statement like that without proof.

I'm quoting you but this is for all of you demanding to talk to the corona virus manager I'll make y'all a deal since you seem to be greatly bothered by all this. I'll wear a mask when, where and in the manner the law compels me to and won't when it doesn't. Further, if you promise not to go all karenWaffen on me if you see me outside not wearing a mask and I won't make fun of you when I see you driving down the road wearing your N95. If this is still not acceptable, I strongly suggest you stay 6 feet away from me --by the way, are there any studies proving this is the safe distance?--like you should, mask or not, or in your very specific case, roll a condom down your head. But in public, with enough space to keep the distance? I'm not wearing a mask, I haven't worn a mask, and I won't wear a mask unless/until I get sick and use it to limit the spread of droplets or it becomes the law. Suggestions, campaigns, appeals to my sense of humanity and morals are not laws. I won't be a scumbag like Fredo Cuomo and Georgy Stephanapolus, both tested positive, and were caught outside without a mask. But that's as far as I go. Period. Until then I don't care if you're afraid that I'm not wearing a mask, I have no obligation (social or otherwise) to make you feel better about my actions. I will not live my life based on someone else's fears. And that's my final word on this.

He does have a calling..........shame it will never be moderator.

Yes. Thank you.

Contacts for Bellmawr https://bellmawr.com/police William P. Walsh Position: Chief of Police Department: Police Department Phone: 856-931-2121 [email protected] https://bellmawr.com/contact Borough of Bellmawr 21 East Browning Road Bellmawr, NJ 08031 [email protected] (856) 933-1313 https://bellmawr.com/elected-officials Elected Officials Mayor Chuck Sauter [email protected] Councilman James F. D’Angelo [email protected] Councilman Steven B. Hagerty [email protected] Councilman Ray Bider [email protected] Councilman Jamie Casey [email protected] Councilman Paul DeAngelis [email protected] Councilman Craig Wilhelm [email protected] Make it rain... I was watching her live when the Gestapo came in. I called the police dpt and congradulated them for their service and making the thin blue line even thinner. Bedminster PD (908)766-0037

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/is-a-parking-lot-ever-public-property.148733/ https://law.justia.com/codes/new-jersey/2013/title-56/section-56-13-13 http://www.lawrev.state.nj.us/title39/web parking 021408.pdf https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080819162126AAx75hS https://www.njconsumeraffairs.gov/Statutes/Private-Property-and-Non-Consensual-Towing-Companies.pdf Have a blast

Why does a billionaire not have a good dentist? Or in Zuckerbergs' case, a half decent hair stylist?

....but it didn't keep the pollen out. And pollen is like a boulder compared to a virus.

Thanks. I checked. It's a CZ. By the way, CZ makes a great product. Affordable and they are made pretty well. If I was in the market for a new double. It would be a CZ.

That sounds like a politically correct, media facing way of saying "Greg failed to get in line." Department policy or not, sometimes situations dictate that the "right" thing to do is to break a rule. That said, if what the police chief stated is true, the officer knew exactly where he stood and did it anyway. He said what he thought he needed to say publicly and in uniform at great risk to himself, believing he needed to take some sort of stand and make a statement for the benefit of society. As a general rule the department policy makes sense. Hell, most corporations have similar policies for employees, and lots of people do things that get themselves fired. Many times its probably deserved, and people can even make the argument that in order to be a Seattle PD officer his firing was deserved, because he no longer represented the department. But, there are situations that are more extreme, that may require people to take more extreme measures. He could have said everything sitting on his couch in his boxers, but then who would have listened? I have to applaud him for standing up for what he believes in.

I think this just sums it perfectly.

Talk to ANJRPC.

How about just in Bayonne? Everyone else will stay out of Bayonne...

Here's my thinking on the issue. Masks have some effectiveness against Covid-carrying droplet transmission. They're not useless, as some will argue, and everyone knows that they aren't 100% effective. So if I'm out in public where social distancing isn't possible, I'll wear one. If I'm just out for a walk or a drive, I won't. But here's my other consideration. I've long been concerned that it is hard to go anywhere in public without being recorded on multiple surveillance cameras. So when I am wearing a mask (and usually glasses I don't need and a ball cap) in public, I figure I'm also screwing with the surveillance state. And that makes me happy.

Here is one for your amusement... The distancing is designed to keep everyone far apart enough so that the 5G system can identify you. Closer than that and it doesn't work that well. And yes, I watch too many David Icke videos.

The science is very sketchy on junk masks (and most ARE junk) having much effect at preventing viral spread. Kinda like the science behind quarantines being effective at preventing viral spread. So wear it if you want.....just don't kid yourself about its effectiveness.

Um yes

That camera is on private property and the landlord has every right to order it off his lot.

Whatever. I would have listened to the valuable message if he was at home in his pjs. Kudos to this officer supporting our civil liberties at a crucial and timely moment for our nation. Bridging that gap between law enforcement and the public is essential in this Republic faced with tyranny and a largely dangerous and propagandemic media.

There was absolutely no mixed signals. It was pretty clear they told us not wear them...

I guess you did really bad on the SAT's. How do you stop someone from saying something you don't like? You don't, either you don't listen or walk away. You do not gag the speaker. How do you stop someone from breathing something you don't like? YOU take precautions or stay away, You don't gag them. See how that works. You will never "Stomp this virus out" It will always be there. Until enough people build immunity to it to make it irrelevant, it will always be a risk. Your stupid ass mask does nothing change this simple fact. How dense to you really have to be to believe masks do anything? How many nurses/doctors that are trained on proper use of PPE and were/ are using multiple pieces of PPE (faceguards, 2 masks, gowns, gloves etc) still got it. How arrogant do you need to be to think you know better than them how to live their lives. Feel free to move to a country more to your liking where individual rights mean nothing. I suggest maybe China would be more to your liking. PS: You can take your plastic bag and mask and shove them up your ass. That way you are sure to cover your mouth,, and you wont spew anymore of your childish shit. oh and GFY. Yes. If you are unable to live in a society the way it is THAT IS YOUR PROBLEM. Not anyone elses.

Some people are just so nice!

Well no one needs tobacco or alcohol to survive, and we would certainly save significantly more lives over what the chinese virus has done. We need food, maybe just ban junk food to help prevent obesity and diabetes and other associated illnesses.

So, should we ban smoking too? And drinking alcohol? Maybe ban food too?

^^^^^^ Very much this.

Who said anything about stopping people speaking? I'm talking about the spittle droplets full of virus flying out of your mouth as you're walking around babbling your bullshit. Feel free to keep speaking, just keep your germs to yourself, again, how you go about it is your business. See aforementioned plastic bag. You have this mistaken idea that I want to keep everyone locked up forever. Nothing could be further from the truth. If we could stomp this virus and eliminate where it's at, it's done. If we keep the virus where it is now, i.e. in the bodies of the people that have it, we can put this in the past. If we all wore masks for a short period, track it down and clear it, it's over. Of course, that's impossible because a good percentage of people, sociopaths mostly, don't think we live in an interconnected world and can't be bothered.

If all of you self-rightous keyboard commandos got half as upset and militant about your 2A rights as you do about wearing a damn mask this state would be a very different place.

*then*, brother you should then know that a little mask to help your countrymen and this nation get over this - even if it a little help - you should be all in. My answer is that, *if* the simple request to wear a mask in public in order to attempt to limit the spread of this virus is requested and or mandated - I think we owe it to this country and our fellow citizens, that we do it. The whole element of the population here that think this is nothing - I think they should register for the HUMAN CHALLENGE TRIALS... https://www.thecovidchallenge.org/ Hey it is NO BIG DEAL ! It is a SCAM ! It is a political HIT JOB on big bad orange guy - they are all such big shots and there is nothing to fear - sign up, lick a subway pole in Manhattan, or go volunteer to pick up the dead. Cause it is a big nothing burger. The Master is humanity and consideration for your fellow man - if that is the Master you should gladly serve it, in this minor way. There is so much fail here - I am not sure even where to begin - you are all getting your panties in a bunch now because of the mask wearing...?? Again - if this is such a nothing burger, go to an emergency room and stand next to the sickest looking bloke you see and take a nice deep breath as he is coughing, get inoculated....then report back in anywhere from 5 to 14 days....go ahead we'll wait... Oh and back to the Franklin quotation - read this interpretation: "It is a quotation that defends the authority of a legislature to govern in the interests of collective security" Put on a mask and stop being a baby -

I got an idea. You are required to keep all your spittle to yourself? Fair? How you go about that is up to you, but you're not allowed to spread it all over. That whole, "my rights end where yours begin"? Ok, I'm in. The same goes for you. Your rights end at your mouth. You keep your germs at your mouth, I'll keep mine at mine. You could wear a mask, but that's such a great imposition for "muh freedom" types there's an even easier one. Put a clear plastic bag over your head, zip tie it closed at the neck. Nothing on your mouth, no overheating, no "Sign of your submission" on your face it's perfect. You can virtue signal that the government can't boss you around! Your rights won't be infringed! Plus you won't have to feel embarrassed about wearing a mask, since that's what this is really about anyway.

time to harass utility workers. and ray, while I understand your aversion, there will never be a Snow White clean cause or person to support.

Clue Less A simple mask is an insult to you and a limitation of your freedom? You sadly have lived a charmed life and do not know what restriction of freedom is....luckily i do not either.... but i work with some that did..... and i hear their stories..... So...Ok then...... The cavalier attitude to a public health crisis is kind of amazing actually...but wait...there isn't one right? Its all a ploy to get the big bad orange man? Its just a bad flu, right? You mean when i ask the ex nypd guys in security i deal with at a local ny hospital, if this is real or not....and they say very.....they are making up the 5 to 7 refrigerated trailers stacked almost 60 to 70 deep of bodies every day..of all ages..are lying? You mean the ER..doc who says he see just as many otherwise healthy young people come in with a cough and shortness of breath and are dead in 3 days..is a sham? It can't be that a volunteer fire fighter on LI i know saw three members die of it...one in a short as ten hours..cant be true, right??? But a mask is an infringement of your rights....while your country men die around you.... you frankly should be ashamed imo....you should be willing to do what you can to help protect your fellow countrymen.........if that means were a mask, even if it helps a little....you should. Btw your Franklin quote doesnt mean what you think it means in the context of the letter he wrote in 1755.....an interpretation is here.... read the letter its online...its ...umm interesting. WITTES: The exact quotation, which is from a letter that Franklin is believed to have written on behalf of the Pennsylvania General Assembly, reads, those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. SIEGEL: And what was the context of this remark? WITTES: He was writing about a tax dispute between the Pennsylvania General Assembly and the family of the Penns, the proprietary family of the Pennsylvania colony who ruled it from afar. And the legislature was trying to tax the Penn family lands to pay for frontier defense during the French and Indian War. And the Penn family kept instructing the governor to veto. Franklin felt that this was a great affront to the ability of the legislature to govern. And so he actually meant purchase a little temporary safety very literally. The Penn family was trying to give a lump sum of money in exchange for the General Assembly's acknowledging that it did not have the authority to tax it. SIEGEL: So far from being a pro-privacy quotation, if anything, it's a pro-taxation and pro-defense spending quotation. WITTES: It is a quotation that defends the authority of a legislature to govern in the interests of collective security. It means, in context, not quite the opposite of what it's almost always quoted as saying but much closer to the opposite than to the thing that people think it means.

Sneezes do not travel 8 meters if the sneezer is wearing a mask. Once again, large droplets, the source of this infection do not linger. Aerosols lingers. Aerosols are not causing this infection. My solution has nothing to do with never interacting again. It has everything to do with getting this disease isolated and done with. There are over 5 million people that have had this disease and tested positive for it. The number is likely 10x that but the fact remains, 1.5 million people gave it to those 5 million. Most, except the sociopaths would not have interacted with others if they knew they were infectious. Until we test and trace everyone, the only way to stop it is to keep people from passing it along. That you have some "Muh freedom" hangup on it is mind boggling. If people would stop infecting others, it would go away. The sooner we accomplish that, the faster we can get along without masks. Everyone is acting like spoiled children. "but I don't wanna wear a mask, it's hot and uncomfortable". Grow up.

For those interested in first hand account. As in "the guy" http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/320601935/m/4620053074

I would think that a year would allow people enough time to decide which gender they are. Are you sporting a hot dog or a taco? Easy question.

The guy wearing the "thin blue line" tshirt should have taken it off and stepped on it.

Lol, none of the people stocking the shelves at the store ever wash their hands. Take my word for it. But yes, anyone using a bench or machine at my local gym does a courtesy spray and wipe when they are done. Thats why there are spray bottles and paper towels all over the place (before the virus hoax was even launched). So you are dead wrong twice in the same post. Kudos! ButI would bet you have never actually been inside a gym in your lifetime unless there was a glory hole involved.

Can you imagine how boring this place would be without Greenie, Zambuca and AWB? Conversations would be like two sentences long. They are like slikys; nobody really knows what's their purpose but every time they are played with, it brings me a smile. Besides, greeny has spunk. I like that in a broad.

Freedom is not for pussies. If you're scared, stay home, it's your right.

Green Troll: Have a good day.

Holy shizz. Get something light, you might be elderly by the time you are able to pick it up!

“You want the meatballs! You can’t handle the meatballs! You’re goddam right I have awesome meatballs!” or to paraphrase my widdle buddy @Displaced Texan ” everyone loves my meatballs in there mouf” @Rob0115 were did this go wrong? not my fault

Agreed - bigger generally equates to better recoil control and longer sight radius (easier to aim), smaller generally equates to better concealment but less control and harder to aim. Choose based on your requirements.

Why 320 compact? Get the full size. Baby guns are not what you want to learn on. Also Sig in its infinite awesomeness made these guns modular. So get the full-size, learn , and then buy the compact exchange kit.( delivered to your door). No brainer if the state ever opens up again you are welcome to try my 320. After the economy gets normal I’m doing the Pmm better Than Roland special conversion