Maksim

Is it just me, or does it just look like a flash hider? Is there even a semi closed chamber inside? Obviously we can't tell from the pic, but I can understand your gunsmith's reservations.

This one?

NJSP did not want their guns to be remarketed as Sig often does, so they were scrapped.

Would love to hear Sig's side of the story. In any case, the complaint does not actually state how many of the guns actually had issues. I wonder how many lunches Glock reps took out the powers that be. I am still in disbelief that SOOOO many guns can have so many issues, yet other departments don't have any? And reading the complaint, they allege that both the Enhanced Elites and Legacies have had the issues. At the end Sig suggested it may be the barrels and offered to replace but NJSP already ordered Glock 19s as replacements. Don't get me wrong, I am not a Sig fanboy, far from it, I am just having a hard time accepting the allegations are complete reality.

Look past Bucks county if you can. But... plenty of good homes for far less than $700k. Then if you really want cheap, look up towards Poconos or West.

Saw this and just makes you pause. http://www.fox13news.com/news/local-news/255686117-story I know deer is a big issue in our neck of the woods, but you sure as heck don't think about running over a gator. Wow.

Heh, learn something new. Why was it removed?

Sorry bud, that is html embed code which unfortunately is a huge red flag. =) Just put in a link for it here instead. =)

So.... do you need a pistol permit or will a COE work? =P

Recently ran across this site, https://haveibeenpwned.com In light of all of the big national data breeches, helpful to know if your email appeared on any of the lists, and if so, what other information is tied in.

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I meant when was it passed/legislation. =) Thanks for your perspective, would not even think about it.

heh, wow. When was this enacted? Christie signed it? You know what would solve this? More gun laws such as lower magazine limits, and let's oh yeah, ban the 50 cal. lol. (obviously sarcasm). Did not realize the bail bonds industry is effectively out of business. Good job NJ.... destroy hundreds/thousands of businesses which employ thousands.... AND release more criminals out into the streets.

Keep in mind, the general liquidition plan is.... first raise the prices some and offer a small discount. (while it is still news and people come in looking for a deal). Once the big discounts come.... they come quick and sharp to get rid of inventory before final days.... so if they are 40% off now, would go now while there is still good stuff to be had.

Cue the.... 1. It overheats 2. Squeeze cocker is too hard to hold. 3. Limited capacity 4. It's Weird

@High Exposure yes. I do think many, myself included still look back and have the image of Sig in the 1980's and before, those awesome West German made sigs. Sig did have issues when they started having financial issues and were run by a private equity fund, and focus was put on cost cutting.

I am gone for a bit and Glenn shoots matches? Gamer matches out of all things.

As the euphoria of the 2016 presidential elections is wearing off, another feeling is starting to creep in on gun owners throughout our state. That feeling is one of great concern for the few gun rights we currently enjoy. As Governor Christie's term is coming to an end, gun owners have to start accepting that in the near future, the few gun rights we currently enjoy are going to come under almost certain attack from politicians in the state. Don't get me wrong, while Governor Christie has done nothing to improve gun rights in the state, at the very least he prevented more bad legislation from taking effect. As the thought of a Liberal Democratic Governor is an utmost certainty, Democrats are going to have free reign over screwing over further restricting gun rights and enacting harsh legislations that will hamper the 2nd Amendment. But wait... there is a chance, there are two Republicans running in this race, you say. Let's be realistic. First, over the last 100 years, only once has the incumbent party kept the Governor's office for a third term, after a Governor termed out. That occurred in 1962 when Democrat Richard Hughes won office after two terms of fellow Democrat Robert Meyner. Secondly, does anyone in their right minds think that a Republican can win after the "BridgeGate" Scandal and Governor Christie's close association to President Trump? In either case, neither of the Republican candidates have the financial or the political capital to compete with Phil Murphy. (who is having ex VP Joe Biden fly in for a campaign visit) Short of a miracle, NJ residents better get used to the idea of Governor Phil Murphy. So What Does A Governor Murphy Mean For Gun Owners? The idea of a Governor Murphy should frighten any gun owner in the state, wishing and willing to give anything to have a "moderate" Sweeney over Liberal Murphy. To get an idea of the gun agenda, we take a look at what Phil Murphy has on his website, Murphy4NJ.com, The website further goes to point out the legislation that would prevent persons on the various government watch lists from being able to purchase a firearm. While this is the most "sensible" legislation, it failed for one key reason, there was ZERO due process for person's on those watch lists. People on the no fly lists, such as Senator Ted Kennedy, Congressman John Lewis, and CNN reporter Drew Griffin would not be allowed to purchase firearms. Beyond that, it would mean Phil Murphy would sign legislation that would confiscate guns from people accused of non-violent domestic issues and limits on the firearms that you may own, including lower magazine limits To take the ridiculous to the next level, Phil Murphy proposes the following, Required Gun Safety Training As they say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. These good intentions seem "sensible" to the common resident of New Jersey, but they are surely hell for any gun owner. Look, I am ALL FOR gun owners having safety training and technological improvements that would be helpful for those looking for it, HOWEVER, since when can the government restrict a God given right? Are people required to take a public speaking class before talking to anyone? Perhaps they should be, but just like free speech, and UNLIKE driving, the right to keep and bear arms.... is a right, and not a privilege. Are gun owners who do not take the "mandated gun safety training" to be considered "un-trustworthy"? If so, prior to the 1938 Regulations Against Jews' Possession of Weapons in Nazi Germany, Jews were disarmed by the police on the basis that "the Jewish population 'cannot be regarded as trustworthy'" On that basis, who is to control the educational requirements? Who sets the agenda? Do we have the same educational requirements before we go buy a bottle of Vodka or a kitchen knife? Are gun owners who do not complete this education requirement going to be stripped of their guns and GUN RIGHTS? More importantly, who is going to pay for this training? As much as I am all for gun owners taking gun training classes, I do not see anywhere in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights anything related to being "educated" before practicing a right. Smart Guns The problem here is what is not told. The NJ Smart Gun laws would REQUIRE every gun sold in NJ to be a "smart gun" once one is commercially available. Yep.... so unless they repeal the existing law, this should be a non starter for ANYONE. Beyond that, do we require every grocery stores to carry certain items? Why should gun store owners and operators be TOLD what they HAVE TO offer. Gun Sales Tax How do you make sure you keep poor people poor? You keep on taxing them. One thing that I have learned over the last 9 years with NJ Gun Forums is that gun owners in this state comes from all demographic groups. For every affluent gun owner, there are 20 people who love shooting but have to scrape up every cent they can save in order to fund their new gun purchase. Any firearms sales tax is only going to hurt gun buyers, and more importantly will hurt the vendors in the state. The ONLY people who will be winning are the gun dealers in PA and Delware who will be more than happy to sell their guns to NJ gun buyers. Required NICS and Gun Registration Hold on there... didn't the municipality and the state police just do the extensive background check when they issued that FID and those brand spanking new pistol permits? I think it is a good idea to do a NICS check anyway, but it is yet annother financial burden and expense. There is a $15 nics charge in NJ, because NJ gets its grubby paws on it, rather than the federal NICS system used in most of Free America. Are NICS checks going to be free for everyone in NJ? Gun Registration? The state police and the municipality already have those records every time a pistol permit gets sent in. But in any case... you know who also had mandatory gun registrations? Hitler, Stalin and Mao all enacted gun registration and subsequent gun confiscation before they murdered millions of political dissidents. (all under good intentions of course). Ban on 50 Caliber Rifles Seriously? Again? Can any politician give a realistic reason to ban all 50 caliber rifles? When was the last time that a criminal committed a crime in NJ with a 50 caliber... flintlock, 50 Beowolf, 500 Nitro Express or muzzle loader.... those are after all more likely to be in someone's gun collection than a $5k or more expensive Barrett 50 BMG. Heck, why not go after 600/700 Nitro Express, 500 S&W, 50 Action Express too. The biggest risk to airplanes (the commonly cited 2010 case) is not a guy with a 50 caliber rifle, but rather the broken infrastructure all around. Bottom Line "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely." - John Acton A democrat in the governor's office and a democrat controlled legislature is grim news for New Jersey and anyone concerned with gun rights. What's different this time is that it is a top item for Democrats eager to do anything to act out against President Trump. There are many gun rights advocates in the state who will say we have to rise up and fight. Unfortunately I don't think it will make any difference this time for the simple facts that the powers that be both do not understand gun issues, nor CARE about your rights. For those that can leave, it may be opportune to do as @Pizza Bob says in every post "adios." For everyone else left behind, hang on, it's going to be a bumpy ride. -Maks For further reading and discussion on this topic I recommend, While we typically do not have political topics out in general discussion, @67gtonut has set up a special section dedicated to the 2017 NJ Gubernatorial Race, We look forward to seeing you there. https://www.njgunforums.com/forum/index.php?/forum/189-new-jersey-gubernatorial-election-2017/

Awesome grips on that.

Thanks for that. So now the question is... how do so many guns have issues? Just weird as hell (especially after barrel and extractor replacements).

But as per the article, when they switched to the old extractors... there was still the issue. On the ammo thing, the non brass ammo has gotten a lot better. The old stuff was quite sticky. Where this really became an issue is with the "tighter" guns, ie higher end 1911's and Sigs. I have had zero issues with Glocks, M&Ps, HKs.... and it is not surprising considering those guns are built more for reliability than precision. Sigs on the other hand... not quite. Other thing.... this practice ammo... how soft shooting is it? Too soft to reliably cycle the guns? I have had two former LEO Sigs and absolutely zero issues with any ammo I have shot. Don't recall if I shot crappy CCI Blazer stuff through it or not.

Is there really an issue with the gun? Or is it crappy ammo or a bunch of other issues? I have never had issues with thousands of rounds through either of my sigs and generally they are quite reliable. From Sig's perspective, yeah, it makes sense for them to just admit there is a problem then to go back and forth, that only makes the issue worse. They replaced extractors, they replaced barrels.... in every gun? Does not add up. Is it true as the blog claims that NJSP uses cheap non-brass cased ammo to practice?

Okay, did a few more searches on the Amax. So basically if you want to get best results, you would be seating it beyond magazine length and would be hand feeding them one at a time. Find the max OAL for your barrel once you get it... and then go from there. Will let the precision rifle guys chime in more on it.