Maksim

.and the 92Fs was the gun I learned to shoot on. I think the PX4 is a completely different animal. A number of reasons to go with a 92fs 1. Heritage 2. Design that works 3. Plenty of experience with the gun and support for it. 4. All metal hunk of steel. the PX4 doesn't really have heritage. What it is, at least to me is a futuristic looking gun, made to compete in the plastic fantastic category. What really sets it apart is the rotating barrel design, and some folks just might not care about it. In which case, you are left with, as you said, comparability with the CX carbine series... but I would of looked for one that used 92Fs mags. The ergonomics on the PX4 are good, and it shoots fine... but it just doesn't give me that tingly feeling, or the desire that I MUST have one. If you want a hammer fired DA/SA plastic gun, look at the HK P30L. Yes, more money, but if you buy gently used, you will get all that money back in a sale. Amazing ergonomics and incredibly reliable.

Alec you still suck... you need to get Moar Better.

GREAT thread. I think MANY people are full of shit... or full of shit under the circumstances at which they shoot those. Is it impossible? absolutely not. Bullseye shooters are freaks of nature, as Vlad mentioned. But at that point the guns are the limiting factor. Even though I am ok with a rifle, under 25 yards I feel far more confident and comfortable with a handgun. When I went to the NRA matches at CJ shooting old C&R guns at 200 yards, with iron sights. lol, you gain respect for those shooters. Much for more the Grand guys at 1,000 yards? I think the IDPA/USPSA guys can put in those groups when not rushed, if they are comfortable with their handguns, and if you have good sights, etc. When you are running and gunning, a "perfect double" aka Alpha Mike is as much luck as skill. lol, but if working on a Plate rack at 25 yards, quite doable. Are they "most" shooters? absolutely not. Merely making it out to the matches puts you in the what? 2 or 3% of all shooters? But we, and the forum in particular are not most shooters due to the huge influence matches have here, and just look at the participation levels there. With a gun you are comfortable with, a trigger that is good for you, those groups are absolutely doable under normal circumstance..... but those people are also not the ones bragging on the internet.... if anything we scream at each other about how much we suck. lol.

LOL. I got enough things that poop everywhere. =) http://www.missioncritical.cc/products/babycarrier?variant=5077961987 and I believe there were Ergo brand tactical carriers in Recoil magazine a year or so ago. and more here. https://www.pinterest.com/pin/297730225340282079/

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They are still limited hours as they roll out. I think and hope that will change soon.

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If you like the rotating barrel of the PX4... and want full size, I would look at the CAI imports of the Grand Power guns. Cheaper too, and full fledged improved CZ clones. Quite popular in europe and the go to gun for many shooters in Russia.

Good stuff. I have not spent too much time there.

I believe the barrel is blocked.

thanks Nick!

Just needed to be bumped. =P

Who is to say they are real guns?

I'm impressed. Made it out with Zoe (my 5 month old) to TTC. As always, I try to go to shops and stores and try to blend in, to see how folks are treated without people trying to suck up for the forum. I think Zoe made it hard. lol. A guy wearing a baby in a carrier instead of armor plates. lol. In any case, as I said, I did email the owners through their website contact form a few days ago, but had not set up a meeting. So a lot of my impressions were just as another customer. First and foremost, the people at TTC are all polite, friendly and welcoming. Smiles all around, and folks genuinely felt happy to be there. The facility is definitely different from what else can be found in NJ and most likely anywhere else in the country, except the NRA museum? True to the website, the range is opulent. From the moment you pull up to the range, there is inviting music playing outside, something that is different. When you walk in, you do realize you are not at just another range. The main shop area is big with wood display cases holding firearms. Overall, something similar to the Beretta boutiques and Cabela's Gun Library. When I walked in I saw Dan, the owner chatting with someone so I just went further. Another friendly employee came up and introduced himself, I believe his name was Mike, and I told him I heard about the range and he immediately proceeded to give me the quick tour. One of the things that irks me a tad, and I know is an issue with many newer shooters and women in particular is walking into a range and the first folks you meet are guys built like tanks in tactical gear and a gun strapped to their hip. Even though the Range Officers were, the majority of the staff were warm and inviting people. After the quick tour, Dan came over and immediately recognized me after I introduced myself. Damian, the operations director also came over and we went to the office. I had the opportunity to chat with THE people at the range, Dan and Joan, Damian and Scott? (the head of training.). Immediately recognizable was NJ Gun Forums up on the two computers in the office. =) It was a terrific conversation and I am genuinely impressed with the conversation we had. Most of all, we discussed the range of issues brought up in this thread and a number of other topics beyond here. End of the day, I truly feel they care about comments, concerns and feedback. Yes, they run a business, however know that it is about the community. I brought up a number of topics and feel they will be considered. I do realize it is a brand new range and they are just ramping up. I may not agree with the rollout as a whole, however I think the range has a bright future. The people of TTC are personable and approachable. Stop by and take a look at the range.

I did not know what the schedule was going to be. I had Zoe with me the entire day. We were about 3 hours behind schedule. lol.

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Nice, where do you find it? hehe Drinking Tazo Earl Grey tea. =)

But because it is such a god forsaken place.... that you can really make money in the gun business in NJ. The higher the barriers to entry... the less players, the bigger the monopoly. In the past few years we have had at least a net increase of 3 or 4 ranges with more coming soon. These new ranges are finding the business model needed to succeed.

Awesome... congrats. Make sure you add the pics to the handgun gallery. http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php/gallery/category/2-handguns/

Great post Yep, plenty of those. Yes, guns are expensive,but the least expensive part of guns. The biggest expense is actually the ammo and range time. Guns are an asset, and unless you bought them brand new, it is tough to lose money on a used gun. I have bought and sold plenty of guns over the years, and the ones I sold were those that were dime a dozen and easily replaceable. There are two guns I regret selling... 1. HK P30L (because i bought it very cheap, was in pristine condition and I would be hard to find one again.) 2. Sig P226 USPA (special edition, good gun, good price). Sold them both for good prices, and in reality, I did not love shooting them, but do miss them. Shotguns, such as common pumps, and basic dime a dozen Glocks are almost commodities. Same for ARs, I have no issues selling any ARs as you can build your own at any time and your tastes change. If you have no need for it, sell it. However in any case... you would not be wrong to keep the gun anyway. It is not a car that loses value, or booze that gets drank. On a note... 40 caliber handguns tend to be tougher sellers. 9mm, and 45 will have no issues selling. There will always be some craze that drives prices up... last year it was Tavors, before than Scars and ACRs, AR15 anytime there is a shooting. Today it is Colt prices that are just nuts. Don't be afraid to monetize something either.

Well, that is western NJ. lol. Everyone has a Beemer, Merc, Lexus, Acura, etc.

Did not know this was a question. =) Yes, when I got my Florida CCW a number of years ago I just sent a copy of my USPS classification card. =)

Assuming same serial number? Or if the firearm was completely replaced?

http://law.justia.com/cases/new-jersey/appellate-division-unpublished/2011/a1161-08-opn.html

Such as? I have not shopped at Sarco.... I take that back, I popped by old store to pick up Mauser front sight hoods, but I thought folks were generally happy with them?