Maksim

You are missing the point that what someone has on the phone from whenever is irrelevant. They said that BEFORE... they changed their mind and offered clarification. Multiple examples of that in the past.

7.5 in 7.62x39... Was custom built for the owner and then they opened it up after they built his. The gun did get really hot and I believe we had it cook off one round slightly out of battery.

Probably... waiting to see the one I get sent. But yes... crystal clear there... no picking up the lower as a "other" even and then building it into a gun.. it must be sold from the dealer as a complete" other firearm"

Well the key is... where the receiver came from and how it was taken. I.e. Point 3 on that letter. I think this was crystal clear guidance of what the authorities want you to do... Buy it as a complete gun, and no assembling. This was verbatim from what one dealer/distributor was told by NJSP and echoed by others.

Yep. Now that we have all four major Non-NFA manufacturers here on the community we have a good pipeline of information from their discussions with powers that be. @Franklin Armory @Modern Materiel @Dark Storm @TechOpsInternational. And have discussed this with many dealers since, many of whom were friends before becoming dealers. There is a very big difference between being right and being effective. We may all be in the right by wanting to build our own, and IN PA, VA or somewhere else... it may be smart and OK to do that, especially since "Other" on the 4473 was a common thing. In NJ, when the guns are "oh soooo wrong" and really is "Three wrongs make a right"... there is no logical reason to risk it. Yes, you can build it... but it would be at home or at private ranges. Or... if you have things to lose while waiting to be cleared... either 1. Don't buy these guns, don't build them, don't even look at them... or 2. Buy one that the NJSP okayed and dealers have no problem selling. AT that point an AG would rather go after the evil doers with deeper pockets than "you, the poor guy who was made to believe those guns are legal."

Well, there is NJ law and there is ATF regs. In NJ I would be worried about NJ more... If you are not... you have not been a gun owner here long enough. Furthermore, there was a NJSP clarification letter that I am trying to get and will post shortly.

The XCR L is actually a pistol. =) and that IS a brake/flash hider.

#1... moved out of the ghetto. (and the dojo was too far to drive to). #2 hurt my knee a tad with hockey and my kneck while doing jumps into rolls. Did do a few months of Tae Kwon Do about 2 or 3 years ago but the fact that it was sooo different from Kickboxing... i.e. you generally don't use your hands and it was also very high impact on the knees.

Just wanted to say "Thanks" to @TechOpsInternational for coming out to our small media day and letting me and a few friends shoot shoot shoot and shoot some more through the Troy Non-NFA guns, both the currently released and upcoming. Have a video that will be out later this week and a 1,000 round torture test too follow! Let me know if you want to come for that. hehe.

So I have not played with Joe's rifles... Waiting for @Modern Materiel to get me and @Rufio.Weaponworks one to demo for videos and magazines. But I have now put a few hundred rounds through my Troy A4 and should have a Dark Storm Variant this week. Realistically... what is peace of mind cost you? Do you go to a range or build your own range in back yard? As far as I know, there was a letter from NJSP saying that they only approve of the ones currently sold as such, that started out as an "Other firearm." When you think of the worst case... If you build your own... you are 100% responsible. IF you bought one... you have the manufacturer, the NJ State Police, the Distributors and retail FFL who all are in the same camp and said it was okay. So is saving a day's worth of ammo worth it? And besides.. when it comes time to resell OR when gun control starts clamping down towards election, that $1300 gun may be $2,000... Were you a gun owner after Sandy Hook when a POS DPMS that was $500 was now selling for $1,500? And people were lining out the door for it. Beyond that, you are getting good components on the guns, they are not cheap builds. On the Troy, I like the fact that it comes with Troy battle sights and I LOVE the new thin rail. @Modern Materiel uses good components too and @Dark Storm is essentially ALL US Made and was OEM for quite a few other gun companies. At this point I estimate there are about 2,000 or so of these rifles that are sold through dealers or in their inventories, based on discussions with the folks who produce them. No one is going door to door at this point. I can totally see it closed in the future though... but then you would either STFU OR send it to America. None of the three guns being sold are cheap $600 ARs and if you have ANYTHING to lose, I would urge not to build your own... even IF you could.... too much risk. I would rather drive around with the gun and the NJSP letter. lol.

hehe. Oh wow, did not realize it was like that in the daytime too.

K. I like the Zev and just got an RMR from Trijicon that I am going to put on it. Come down and shoot it... see if you like it. Will also put on my Gen 3 regular 22 slide if you want to see the difference.

Then I would not risk it. What you are paying the premium for, IS the letter. I had a chance to play with the Troy gun this weekend thanks to @tachopsinternational and really like that it actually says "other firearm" right on the gun. Between the gun and the letter, I feel 100% comfortable taking it to NJ and shooting there, for the Troy and Dark Storm which is listed there. Second best is the MM one... come down to NJ with a home built one? HELL NO!

Ok. So in that case if you just want it to run and lock back likely need a bit more powder. Pictures of the brass and are you going to go through the trouble of sorting brass by head stamp or weight in future? Testing out some 223 loads with mixed brass I recently saw swings of about 150 fps based on brass. Also with 8208 at least my own results out of a 16" were significantly slower than the books. But ultimately it comes down to your gun and what your brass is telling you. It will quickly tell you when you are at or approaching limits. I have not used cfe223 so not familiar with its properties but also keep in mind that based on where we are at and the current season.... I.e sea level and humid... Things will be different.

Looking for a 17, 34 or 19 sized slide? If 19... then I suppose something is coming from the folks that made the modular build kit.

People still burn to DVD and Bluray? I thought it's all about the YouTube nowadays.

Ah. Missed the 5 o clock. And was not suggesting you need it, was asking if you do. Quite possible the adjustable gas block was working itself loose and recently saw that with one gun here. Borrow a chrono and see what it is shooting at... To answer your questions specifically... Well, you really need a chrono AND you need to look at the brass for signs... primer cratering? ejector marks? Also... the brass will vary quite a bit.... so are you using 5.56 military brass? 223 once fired? Or a mix? Internal case volume will vary and that will have a measurable impact. Of course, you didn't state what your major goal was... is it absolute accuracy? Is it getting it to shoot as soft as possible with acceptable accuracy? Is 55 grains going to be your primary bullet? Distance, etc. Once again if you need to borrow a chrono, let me know.

About 8 years of Shindo-Ryu Kickboxing when I lived in Elizabeth and did not want to get beat up in the ghetto. Did some boxing recently... (classes, training.... not fights).

Get a chrono... for reals. You really don't know the velocity. Where is the brass ejecting? i.e. what position? Adjustable gas block? Have not tried CFE223 but IMR 8208 generally gives good solid velocities and temperature stable. Same for H4895. If you want to borrow my chrono, come... Otherwise who knows. Having good baseline facts would help.

I think pictures will do it justice. Ok ok ok ok... need video too... will link it here shortly.

What are you looking to do with the slide? Good thing is, the Gen 3 slides are fairly common. I really do like the slide that came on OZ9... not too gaudy and functional. Again, completely open if you want to come try mine out. And have a video of it coming out soon. Shot it in USPSA match... no issues with the gun. Mags... yes. lol.

Microsoft Movie Maker is free and easy to use. If you want to spend a little to get good stuff with lots of additional resources, Sony Vegas (cheap one) . Then the next level up is going to be the primary software being used... Sony Vegas Pro and Adobe Premier. You can get Premier as part of Adobe's monthly studio suite. Good thing is, things like LUTS, etc can be used with both... When I started with video a while back, used Windows Movie Maker... then bit the bullet and switched to Sony Vegas.

This is one of the auctions I most always go to! Who else is coming? I will also be at the preview day there tomorrow around 1 or 2 PM if anyone wants to meet up! https://www.alderferauction.com/specialties/firearms/ https://www.alderferauction.com/auctions/detail/live-and-online-firearms-accessories-auction-8-13-19-bw40780

I would say, now that you have the property owner's contact info, reach out to them and see what their plans on. Tell them the state of it and that the state is looking into property. Ask if they will fix it or want to sell it.

Call Smith... I'm sure they will take care of you. 1,000 rounds is not a lot.