Maksim

Another +1 for the GSG1911. They also sold a conversion kit of just the slide and a mag. Not sure if still avail.

Maybe will push this video up first? The reason for this gun was that Heritage/Taurus was selling hundreds of thousands of these guys a year.... yet during testing Ruger found that most of them crap out after 5k rounds or so. Far less with 22 wmr cylinder. Ruger said they will only keep this 22lr as anything bigger is unsafe.

Should be about $150 steeet price. Was a great little gun and much better build quality than the heritage/Taurus ones. Was amazing to see all the seal/delta guys at the event go crazy over it.

The inner slav in me came out...

What club is this?

Wow, that is quite cool.

Plus keep in mind... most of these guns have been lightly shot since being rearsenaled, put into storage, sold to US markets. The probably of the gun damaged from the grenade launcher is about the same as someone with an Arisaka hitting an airplane with those airplane sights. =)

Did your friend ask you to check in or pay you to check in and be responsible? And how good a friend if he would hold you responsible? Assuming he knows there are leaks? Policy owner needs to cal insurance and would assume you need to get someone in ASAP to get it pumped and avoid more mold damage.

Nope, not at all. I did go to one of their events, but not getting paid. I just think they produce a great value in this space. Handguns? Eh.

Precisely. That is all I meant to imply. You do not need to pay $2,000 to get a gun chambered in 6.5 CM, 6.5 PRC, 6mm CM, etc. There are options from $400 to the sky is the limit. But let's be honest... if you want a 1 MOA gun that shoots out past 1,000 yards and hits... bone stock... just get a 6.5 CM Ruger American. Won't be the nicest fit and finish... but the important parts work just fine.

I think that is a poor stamement. For some it is about quantity, others save a lot and spend it on a few. And let’s be honest most shooters spend a lot more on Ammo then on the guns. And you can get 6.5cm in $400 bolt guns. Will of course have to see if it sticks around in 5 to 10 years but out of all the new fandangled intros... 6.5CM does seem to have sticking power.

@Shane45 Ray ray does have a point though... There are always new cartridges that have been the craze... 6.8, 300, etc... Commercially though, they have not been succesfull however, or at least not lived up to marketing hype that youtubers and media made them out. And let's be honest... benchrest guys have already moved onto 6mm CM vs 6.5. It takes the best of 6.5m and pushes even more velocity, etc. So 308... is a better round... commercially.... BUT ballistically, it is easily surpassed... as it has been a number of times. 6.5 CM though has been widely adopted... will have to see if it has sticking power. Of course, none of this is a surprise to any benchrest guys and gals as they have seen it all... and none of it matters to them because they roll their own.

Btw... keep in mind though, the one place where 308 does have 6.5 CM beat.... barrel life. You are pushing same amount of powder through a smaller opening, more throat erosion. While 6.5 CM is not as bad as some other wild cats... it is not a .308 If you shoot a lot, be prepared to replace barrel.

Thanks... will double check... I thought otherwise... or at least on AR lowers too.

No no, I think you are right and there are really two distinct components to this... .308 is common so there is value there, despite SAMI loaded ammo not being the best for long range. Reloading overcomes many of the issues. Main knock on .308 bullets, and not just .308 and applies to most calibers firing .308 bullets is that there are better (ballistically) bullets out there. Those are the 6.5. For instance, the Hornady ELD Match bullets have a BC of near .80. So we now have SAMI spec loaded factory ammo that is far better... it shoots flatter, and more forgiving to wind, tighter spec'ed.... As such, for most people, you can sight it in at 200 and use it for everything between 0 and basically 500 yards, without any holdovers and still be on target. You are NOT going to be able to do that with a .308. The value with 308 is that it will absolutely make you a better shooter, especially if you progress to longer distances as you are going to have to wring out everything you can out of it to really compete. Again though, if you are shooting at 500 yards or less, this really doesn't matter. lol. Looking at my range card for the 6.5 PRC Hawkeye we were shooting to 1,400 yards... at 700 yards, the drop was only 3.5 Mils. This is about half of a typical 308 168grain load. Furthermore, with ballisticly better bullets, you are far less impacted by wind... and out to 500 yards, with a 6.5 CM, PRC, etc you can get away with not even accounting for wind and will be fine. The wind adjustment for that same 6.5 PRC... at 500 yards, an 8mph wind, full impact coming 90 degrees only shifts it .5 mils. at 700 yards .7. Once again, about a 50% less wind impact than a 308 168 grain hpbt. So will a 308 make you a better shooter if you start learning on it? Yes, absolutely.... But has it been surpassed? ABSOLUTELY!

Correct. Folks that are technically manufacturers that are not registered as manufacturers... and as such they are not paying excise tax.... To answer your question more specifically, there was an excise tax paid on the lower by the manufacturer. Not on the upper however.

The excise tax is paid by manufacturers. Not ffl, retail. As such on a ar... if you build from lower, the excise tax was paid by lower manufacture.

What did I miss?

I do agree it is semantics... but Chassis gun is precisely what you are describing, you can take the barreled action and stuff it back into a stock... You cannot do that with an RPR as it was built around its chassis looking chassis? lol. This is also one of the main differences, and again, I cannot speak with too much confidence on it beyond me shooting their "chassis" guns at a mile and beyond. By Chassis, we are talking MDT, AI, etc. That don't require bedding and typically offer more adjust-ability stock out of the box. The Chassis itself can be mated to a variety of barreled actions but generally still holds the action by a couple of screws. In the case of RPR, and again, not an expert on them by any means, my understanding from chats with designers/engineers is that it is more like barreled action is part of the stock/chassis... hence why accuracy at longer ranges out of stock gun without any hand fittings, etc. Further going off of. https://rifleshooter.com/2015/11/precision-rifle-stock-or-chassis-system/ http://www.snipercentral.com/ruger-precision-rifle-full-review-2/ I guess bottom line, it offers "chassis features" but it is not built as a chassis gun. And here is the more definitive answer... it is a "Precision MSR Stock" http://www.bluesheepdog.com/2015/07/24/ruger-precision-rifle-review/

I have the following long range guns we can shoot if you want to play... Howa Oryx 308.... this is a Howa 1500 action and barrel in an MDT chassis. Stock from factory. Ruger Hawkeye Long Range Target in 6.5 PRC. Have coming this week Thompson Center LRR in 308... and have another undisclosed rifle in 300 PRC. Unfortunately waiting on Ammo for the 6.5 and 300. Have less than a box for 6.5.