Maksim

Until you get to Three Stamp Friday?

And for the money, I REALLY like the Magpul fixed MOE stock... Here it is, fully NJ Kosher. 16" WOA barrel and Kaw 3 Gun brake pinned by @remixer

so a 2 tax stamp gun? SBR + Can?

Right now you can get the Wolfhound 6x on Amazon for dirt cheap $254. Really good price. for it. Link. https://amzn.to/2uGolk3

And a great Larry Vickers interview on the AK.

One more...

Now that just crossed the line. =) An AK is a gorgeous looking gun. Of course this just points to... you're not a gun guy. =) Real gun people don't pick one or the other... we appreciate them all.... (except maybe hipoints?) The AK is perhaps the most recognizable and widely held firearm worldwide and has been involved in more armed conflicts than any other firearm... most of all, they fullfill their purpose well. Complaining that an AK is not a tack driver is like complaining your Tofu Burger does not taste like a real one. lol. But seriously.... who has fired match ammo through an AK to really say it does not shoot accurately? No one complains when an AR-15 shooting American Eagle or Wolf does not group under 1.5"... Is an AK going to be sub-moa? No... there are other issues, but you can get a 1.5 MOA gun with good/decent ammo.

25 MOA? Who pissed in your cheerios? =) The whole AK is not accurate thing is grossly overblown and a lot of it is the ammo, not the guns.

Realistically if you are going hunting, you are likely only going to fire 5 or so rounds when you get there to verify scope's zero after travel... and then 1 or 2 shots during the hunt. so recoil should not be an issue. You should ask them anyway. In either case, if you just want to verify zero, go to any of the 300 yard ranges... If your 100 yard zero holds at 300, shooting at 400 or 500 is not much different. In either case, pretty much irresponsible to hunt past those distances anyway (Although the 300 weatherby should still be packing a punch closer to 1,000). When is the trip?

Way past that. =)

I would reach out to them and ask... It may still be worth taking a 2 hour class on long range shooting if you are going out west and especially if you have not done so in the past.

If you are in North Jersey... I would talk with Griffin and Howe, they have their own range IIRC and do long range. Otherwise, if you go west to PA... New Holland Rod & Gun Club. You do have two long ranges in South Jersey... Cumberland and South Jersey Shooting Club. Both do public high power matches...

Really surprised you just didn't go "pistol" route. Put the $200 towards something else.

The other rifle was a different caliber. =)

So the 3-18 was at the event, but I did not spend a lot of time behind it. What's the question?

Ugh... and I thought we were immune to those silly posts. =) HEHE. In all seriousness, I would understand if it was a 20 or 30 year old... but I have yet to meet a forum member who moved out of NJ... and WANTED to come back. =)

Thanks. Up to 700 yards, the targets were generally 3" to 9" steel plates. Past that , there were 1 and 2 MOA plates generally. The topic of controlled vs push feed was actually brought up. Personally, I liked the controlled feed guns, just felt better per say and I had no issues feeding in single rounds. Keep in mind that the Hawkeye is a mid range gun, between the lower end Ruger American and the purpose built Ruger Precision (which is push feed). Personally, I shot better with the Hawkeye target than the Ruger Precision equivalent. I just found the stock to be more comfortable and the trigger better for me. Interestingly though, Leupold provided some very tall rings which made the cheek hold a bit uncomfortable for guys with smaller faces such as myself so the gun rested a tad lower near my chin. Personally, I hit 1,400 with the gun but there were a few guys who were able to get the 1,600. The winds were brutal at that point and we were shooting through valleys with varying winds, etc. I have no doubt with some patience, would be able to do an 1,800 and hit at a mile with the round. As far as ammo vs gun... I would say they were both important. Hornady came out with some really good high BC bullets and the guns were able to hold sub MOA to those distances... stock, out of the box... that to me is quite impressive. Really, what the platform provides is that a non-reloader can go out and buy ammo and a gun, and be able to have the tools to hit 1,000+. You could not really say that with 308 as SAAMI specs kept manufacturers from loading the bullets right up from the grooves, much looser chambers, etc. So yes, you CAN get a 308 to shoot like that, but it will generally require handloads TO YOUR rifle, etc. Once you get the velocity you can factor in for the drop.... that is gravity. The new projectiles are making it A LOT easier with the wind though.... so yeah... I think it's both. Thanks, In a word, fairly impressed. I think in that $2,500 range, it is a very good value. (and that means a lot coming from me considering I generally thought of Leupold as overpriced). I do have a video on the scope that I will put together soon. The good... great weight as it is not too heavy while still feeling robust. The turret is really interesting with the detent that moves out and in to let you know where on the dial you are. Glass was terrific... perhaps too good as you can barely see the mirage to call wind. Had to adjust back the paralex to see it. With the paralex set, extremely crisp. I am also a fan of the lever built into the adjustment ring to quickly adjust magnification without taking eyes off of the scope. The low light quality was good too and allowed us to shoot at break of light to right before sunset. All US made although glass components may come from overseas. This is a higher volume scope so you get really good value. Yes, the Mark 6 and 8 are more expensive, but they are not 50% better (straight from Leupold). What I did not like is the reticle we were shooting. We had the regular Mil dot reticle. Generally it is fine if you are used to dialing in adjustments, but if you are using holdovers, because there is no christmas tree in the reticle, it made it more difficult to use with hold overs. I.e if you are just holding over for the drop... or just wind, no issues as it is on the x or y axis. The problem is when you are holding over say 3 mils of wind and 2.5 mils of drop.... and you are guessing where that is in the open space in the reticle. Makes sense? So If I was buying one, I would get the H-59 or Tremor 3 reticle. (again, personal choice though.) Any specific question on the scope? I am hoping to have one in to demo soon.

Got from shot show in case anyone wants. Expires 4/30/2019. Promo code Paronto20

Some of you were aware or may have caught my post discussing some long range guns. Early last week I had the pleasure of being flown out to the middle of nowhere in Texas, to the FTW Ranch, to shoot some upcoming rifles in a joint event with Ruger, Leupold and Hornady. Most of the guns I have shot are not yet released and cannot talk about them, but one of them, I can. It is the Ruger Hawkeye Long Range Target in 6.5 PRC. The gun was released at Shot Show, earlier this year and is now available in 300 Win Mag, 6.5 Creedmoor and 6.5 PRC. The event was really a 3 day shooting class where we used the new firearms. They were brand new, and in a few cases prototypes. They were production guns, not messed with and were straight out of the boxes. We shot the guns at ranges from 250 to 2,300 yards with Hornady match ammo. The optics were Leupold Mark 5HD 5-25 scopes. Working on the full video but here is a teaser of me shooting it at 1,200 and 1,400 yards. 1st shot hit on 1,200, took 2 on 1,400. Unfortunately did not hit at 1,600 as the round was no longer supersonic and the winds were hell. I was just blown away personally, that a gun with a $1,279 MSRP and a $1,000 or so street price was good enough to maintain sub MOA at those distances.

Have you shot outdoor uspsa matches?