Maksim

That’s a really interesting notion and would be quite interesting... especially since it would technically not be THE firearm.

I do agree, 308 is a great place to start and learn with, especially since it will make your mistakes much bigger. The inherement ballistics of modern cartridges are much more forgiving to misreading wind, etc. of course if you do reload, you can overcome those issues by loading long. If someone is limited to factory Ammo, for target shooting, the new wonder cartridges such as 224 valk, 6mm and 6.5 Creedmoor, 6.5 PRC, 300 Norma, 300 PRC are far easier to shoot well, especially at distance. 308 great to learn on. Have a video coming in a bit with an interview with Hornady engineers talking about this.

For pole saws and hedge totally agree. Biught a string trimmer last year and it just kept dying. Ended up getting a gas powered stihl.... “Moar Power!”

Of course they are not going to be commercially available! it’s fun to dream though. Someone did try a 7.62 tok before but failed. Can’t recall name.

Any of them should have no issues. Are you going to reload or want to hunt? If so look at 6.5 PRC. About 250 FPS more than Creedmoor Also look at the Howa 1500 either as action or in MDT chassis. 12” at 1000 will not be a problem assuming you are not using garbage Ammo. Once it goes back subsonic you will have issues... but otherwise 12” not an issue. I would even say if you are going to want to do different stock or chasssis, get a Ruger American.

Correction, RPR is NOT a chassis gun. It was designed that way from start. It was not an existing action that was dropped into a chassis. It was a gun designed from the start. It looks like a chassis, but it is a complete gun. I was corrected for that by Ruger engineers.

Got you beat... 7.62 tokarev.

What caliber?

You are right they do, the 1911, but you are not going to redesign a gun to use single stack 1911 mags. I really meant double stack guns like Glock 20, or the other Cz based designs. I have a 10mm 1911 from Ruger coming. And yes you are right that folks make ar uppers for 10mm but it is a niche... you don’t see any major companies pushing 10mm to the masses and smaller companies are pandering to the 10mm cult who got the bug watching Miami Vice in the 1980s. And 1911 based 10mm only exist in the numbers they do as it is in most cases the same as a 40sw different barrel. and of course reloaders can replicate 10mm by loading 40sw cases long (what pretty much every STI and SVI 2011 shooter does anyway, otherwise the rounds don’t feed reliably) and putting in more powder. I have yet to see any company in the daily barrage of emails want big push for 10mm. There is a hard enough time making 40sw commercially successful and 45 acp is slowly turning into that too. No data on this but will try to find, more and more new releases of handguns as a percentage of the whole are 9mm. In the rifle world it is 223 and 6.5 Creedmoor and 308 are starting to stockpile.

I like electric but that only works if you have less than 1/3 acre... Have an electric blower can only make it down the drive way.

Thanks. Is there any prohibition on rifle hunting? ie NJ?

Ah, so that was the SJW SW... I thought it started earlier. =)

Seriously? I am not a huge Trekkie but TNG is by far the best series in the Star Trek universe. I wish they involved Q even more. ok ok, and why is VIII that bad? I quit SW a long time ago...

To be fair, I don't think anyone was saying he was WRONG... at least I didn't. I merely asked the question as to why hunt with 10mm when you can hunt with a rifle? Unless there were states where you can hunt with pistol caliber carbine but not rifle. Beyond that, when you have much better for the job pistol or straight walled cartridges to hunt with in an AR platform... the only reason I see to hunt with a theoretical 10mm carbine is like you said... if you carry a G20.... in which case, it is a very very small market and in my opinion, downgrading in ballistics for 1 or 2 theoretical rounds that you are going to shoot on a hunt or in self defense against a bear or whatnot... does not make sense to simply have a common magazine. We are not talking zombie deer and bears right? I am quite aware that 10mm guys are a cult... and I LOVE 10mm... but commercially, it is a failure and a near guaranteed failure to engineer a new gun around 10mm, which would be dependent on a 45. From my conversations with the engineers who designed the gun... a caliber change is not that simple... and knowing the guys in the corporate suite... don't expect it unless it can be profitable. We already had quite a few pistol caliber carbines, and don't recall any in 10mm.... heck, try finding an AR pistol caliber upper in 10mm. =) But I will pry and see if I can get an answer on 10mm if it is in the works.

Sure and I agree with you... But the premise is... while it is cool... it is a horrible business idea... here is why. When a company has a tough enough time justifying creating blocks to take Beretta or Sig mags... what makes you think they are going to... 1. Build a carbine in 10mm... which will sell MINISCULE numbers... Keep in mind, they will have to redesign the entire gun and the mag well to now accept LARGE frame glock mags. 2. Attract Glock 20 owners to buy it. Yes... it is cool... but the market is minuscule. There are far more people carrying a 44 magnum and a proper hunting gun than a Glock 20 WHO WANT a woods gun in 10mm. To add to it... one of reasons PC Carbine exists is that it takes SEcurity 9/SR9 mags. And it can also take other mags. There is no quick swap for different calibers... it means brand new design. Ruger does not make a 10mm semi auto gun...

Ok, so this had me intrigued... By hunting or in the woods, I think bear protection.... again, I am not a hunter, but by most accounts, MINIMUM recommended caliber is 44 magnum (pistol caliber). You are looking at more than twice the energy for heavy loads in 44 mag vs 10mm. In 44 mag, you are launching projectiles of between 160 grains to 355 grains, with far less ease and more energy than a 10mm... and getting the same energy out of a 10mm gun, would not be pleasant. So if ANYTHING.... we need to be asking for a Pistol Caliber Carbine in 44 Mag that takes Desert Eagle mags.

It's not about being narrow minded but bringing the best tool for the job. Otherwise, half the police departments would be using AKs, Scars, ACrs, P90s, etc. Why are they so narrow minded? lol. Not sure who pissed in your cheerios and you should perfectly well know I love variety of guns. Besides, what is someone more likely to have an AR mag or a Glock 10mm mag? And how many people carry a Glock in 10mm... After all, that would be the only common 10mm PC carbine mag out there right? Besides, a 180 grain 10mm has a maximum velocity of 1,200 FPS or so.... Unless that game you are hunting is within 50 to 100 yards... you are really bordering on un-ethical. So if you want a pistol caliber... it needs to be something for grown ups... like 41 magnum same 180 grain is around 1,500 fps... 44 Mag, etc. Beyond that... that carbine is not saving you ANYTHING weight or size wise... SO... you are giving up A LOT of ballistics and energy... to get a gun that "uses same mags as your preferred sidearm" and not to be perceived as closed minded. lol. Personally, if I am going out into the wood, call me closed minded, I would be carrying a 41 mag or higher revolver an an AR, AK, or a bolt gun that can put down a bear and not piss it off. =) And once again... this is not dissing 10mm in a carbine choice for home defense or shits and giggles at the range... This is primarily talking about taking a pistol caliber carbine hunting.... VS a proper rifle cartridge. And I am not a hunter, but my understanding if you can hunt with a Pistol Carbine.... you can hunt with a rifle.

The question is.... where can you hunt with a 10mm carbine that you can't hunt with a 223, etc? If you are going to have a rifle... get a rifle.

So I think that's the big thing... 10mm ammo is a niche... a very nichey nich. Ammo is tough to find and you won't find it going to most stores. Just look at 380 ammo prices vs 9mm... 9mm is nearly half the price! 10mm would easily be more expensive than a box of 45 ACP. It only really makes sense for guys and gals who reload. Once you have the brass, the costs over 40 sw are minute... just a bit more powder.

Was never a huge fan of Atlantis but did enjoy quite a few of them. The original SG1 is still the best. i like McKay as a special guest star but not quite as a full time lead. Did like Jonas Quinn character on SG1 and wish he was made permanent. Really LOVED Claudia Black playing Vala.

Hahah, SGU popped up on Prime yesterday sk started watching again. Season 1 needed work but by the time they cancelled it.... was a huge FU to community. On such a freaking cliff hanger. “Meaning of Life kind of stuff.”

Heh, there as SW after Jedi? lol. I used to be a big fan, but only of the original episodes. Episode 1 was jar jar funny but not "Serious"... then 2 and 3 were pointless outside of Natalie Portman. Completely stopped caring after. Star Trek and Star Gate over Star Wars almost any day of the week.

I have a BIG stick right now and waiting for 5 more in the mail. A drum is also what I had in mind but the design of it, would look really weird as it was meant to fit in a hand grip.

Will have to watch my video coming later this weekend! Geez another PpsH person. Lol First thing Todd @FreedomSportsLLC said when he did my transfer last week was that it looks like PPSH.