Maksim

No doubt it is a sticky situation and hence why IF the company is going to know that there will be a verification of employment, the person should give HR a heads up. It should be up to the employee to let the HR or bosses know that they are applying for firearms permits or what not. But this is also why I would list a contact of a direct manager rather than purely HR. Bosses are in a much less "gatekeeper" mode than HR. For instance, when I worked at UBS... if you called corporate HR, you would get run around, etc... But... if you called my manager or any other boss in the office, would be... "Hey, does this person work here?" "Yes", end of story. But this is why I am all for the person taking the initiative when it comes to getting permits. No doubt the person doing the check has a tough and delicate job and I don't think anyone is denying that. But I also know if you want results and want to avoid bureaucracy, go straight to decision maker. lol. Or simply saying... "Hello, this is Detective XXXX from WWWW PD. Calling to verify that XXXX is an employee." What you are applying for should not matter but again though, if HR has an issue with it, it should be with them and the employee. Or simply "XXX is applying for some permits." They are not going to ask permits for what. But they are supposed to verify "Self employed" and they can if they want to. It would be difficult for them to and I highly doubt they even want to go down that rabbit hole.

DC was also about availability. IIRC, they said it was not limited as there WAS in fact a gun store in DC... but it was run by a liberal and had stupid crazy hours... but because it was there... they were saying rights were not imposed.

Courts take time... and I think the carry case MAY see its light of day in Supreme Court in the near future. Charging $300 is absolutely nuts though and IS a burden and would quickly be struck down as soon as it went to a court with a brain. Yes, it would be here in effect for some time, but would eventually be struck down.

Thanks for the detailed pics. Possible to get some pictures of the SKS on top of the receiver? Also, buyers premiums and fees for this auction?

$300 for a carry permit + FID? That would work. But he is out of his mind but I am sure this will pass, and I am sure this will end up going to court.

Full sized? Or the P10C? P10C comes in two flavors, older and newer, difference being the ambi mag release. They do take different kinds of mags, and old mags won't work on new gun, new mags are backwards compatible. Difference is the mag catch layout. Are they good guns? Yes. Certainly. Great value, good solid triggers out of the box. If you are okay with CZ... go for it. The only thing I can think of for most gun owners, the grip texture can be a bit aggressive. CZ's issue is that mags are a bit on the expensive side as it is not a Glock. Secondly, it is a CZ... so it is a very "Cult" gun. CZ fan boys and are generally USPSA type shooters where CZ is essentially a staple.

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Thanks for sharing that and this is a prime example of why and what's wrong with that question. I suppose can ask the PD for discretion? Or always good rule of thumb to pre-empt the questions by letting HR know someone will be calling to verify employment.

The Steel Case is actually just a misnomer from older times... 1. generally, steel core ammo used to come only in steel or aluminum case brass. So was just easy to say, no steel/bimetal/aluminum cased cartridges. 2. IF there is unburned powder on the floor, hypothetically, steel cases can spark it. chances are minimal. effectively, yes, about the money... but there was a legit spark issue in the past.

ooh, interesting. Shongum USPSA was canceled due to snow.

Oh without a doubt I don't think anyone is denying that it is not a question that needs to be asked... merited or not, it is on the application. The issue is the disclosure and whether your employer has the right to know what the request is for. As @Mrs. Peel brought up a way of answering it without disclosing the reason why. Verification of employment are quite common outside of guns, and are for things like loan applications or even new jobs... heck, how about scholarships. No one needs to know it is for guns. As far as lying on the app, absolutely should not... BUT if you are self employed... i.e. selling on ebay or doing anything FOR PROFIT... you are self employed. As far as I know the question is not... "Who is your primary source of income?" Uber? Lyft driver? Self employed.

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Ugh, all the fun ends when an actual lawyer comes in and answers the question and takes the topic... back on topic. lol.

Will be an interesting data point to collect, whether town calls references or just mails a letter. Generally been letters.

4? I WISH! When you decide to give back and show up early to help set up stages, run new shooters through intro, then help for tear down that is easily an 8AM to 4 PM affair... THEN God forbid you decide to do scoring... that takes even more. =P Seriously, say thanks to the match director and all those who help out. It is at that point that you get why the guys who help run the matches don't actually like it after a while. lol.

Have not RO'ed matches in a bit BUT... believe me, this is the most helpful thing you can do. Tell them you are new and you will get treated like royalty. You will get attention, tips and advice (if you want it) and generally, the staff and ROs will prevent you from doing something stupid on your first few matches before you even have a chance to. Otherwise, if you are NEW... and don't say you are a new shooter, they may simply assume you are just new to the club. It is not at all uncommon to see people drive 2 or 3 hours to drive to a USPSA match and many NJ folks now drive 2+ hours to a good PA match. HAHA, I meant the range... not the gun... but go ahead... what 50 do you have? =)

Good stuff.

So in my town... about half the time the permits were issued BEFORE reference letters were even back, and employer was never contacted. And of course, if you have any business... you are always "self employed." Uploading to youtube? "Self Employed"

50 cal? And you hid this gem of a range from us?!?! =) In 10 years living in NJ as a gun owner, would of gladly done all I can to join there. =)

Not sure on the legality of it, BUT I do think this can be used to do more harm than good. Verification of employment should be just that... verification of employment. It should not be disclosed as to why... and if the employer wants to know, they should ask the employee. Realistically, telling an employer out of the blue that... "One of your employees is applying to get a gun..." is likely going to create some issues... UNLESS that employer is 100% pro gun. Anything less than strictly pro gun... such as a larger company, do they want that risk? And will only start the water cooler effect if you are talking to someone from HR instead of the boss. HR people have high regards for what they do and will look for ANY reason to "do their job."

So if you are in Hamilton, take a look at https://www.ftrpa.com/about/membership/ Falls Township Rifle and Pistol Association. Right across the border, indoor and outdoor ranges. can't believe I never heard about it. lol. There is also Bucks County Fish and Game outside Doylestown.... http://bcfg.org/announcements/?page_id=22

Also added Quinton Sportsmen's club to both the clubs and gun range features. @CAM is a club board member.

So here is the best example.. Jersey City, with their additional forms, required a letter from your employer certifying it is okay for you to own a gun, and it had to be notarized! No, not for carry, for regular FID/purchase permits. Direct from someone I bought a gun from. Guy was working in a large media company and was not the one to make this up.

And a quick reminder... you generally do not need to be a member of the club that is holding the match, to shoot the match. Steel, USPSA, IDPA. So going to the matches held there is also generally a good way to check out the club and its facilities!

That is a false assumption! You do not need to be good to shoot matches... Just need to be SAFE! Most of the local matches are filled with weekend warriors. As long as you are safe, you are more than welcome!