CJack

Folks, if the specific law in question is for dealers, why is anyone worrying about this ? As Glen said, order, get it and enjoy. As a side note, in the age of credit cards, internet and shipping, they got all the "records" and "tracking" they need.

Who said the curriculum changed ? GFH and others have large text, red color disclaimer upfront warning about any change of requirements for NJSP. But I have not seen any published requirements from NJSP other than whats in admin code.

That makes sense because the atleast one pdf I found about NJ HQC involve drawing from holster and 60 rounds.. https://www.state.nj.us/lps/dcj/agguide/firearms2001.pdf - Appendex A

Was this all standing ready or involved holster, barricade, kneeling etc like HQC-1 ?

Keep us posted as to how your qualification course at GFH (easy, difficult etc) and also what PD says about the finger printing.

How would they know the "need" of application if they removed the question itself ? Unless I missed part. And I do agree with you on NJ being sneaky. Yes!.. Doesn't make sense, right ? If they were thinking logically, applying common sense, we wouldn't here to discuss this :-)

It (the Heller and latest SCOTUS ruling) applies to this and million other shenanigans NJ Political, Bureaucratic and Judicial branches pull all day every day. Question is, who is going to kick them in the rear and make them follow ? Non stop lawsuits have to follow, which means WE (the collective 2A supporters) have to keep feeding money (which is not necessarily bad thing), but we cannot sit around, we need to keep the momentum.

We (NJ) have to hammer courts under the "Common Use" provision non stop. Also reason for every law abiding to exercise ALL of the 2A.. buy buy buy.. I am waiting for the day when SCOTUS rules that anything Govt uses in their day-to-day business is "Common Use". Local PD / Non Military has SBRs - Common Use. Local PD/Non Military has bazookas - Common Use. Suppressors - Common Use.

It means SCOTUS sent it back to lower case for reconsideration, usually means the law is unconstitutional. Good for us.

One down, million violations of US Constitution by NJ to go. https://www.supremecourt.gov/docket/docketfiles/html/public/20-1507.html Petition GRANTED. Judgment VACATED and case REMANDED for further consideration in light of New York State Rifle & Pistol Assn., Inc. v. Bruen, 597 U. S. ___ (2022). The questions presented are: 1. Whether a blanket, retrospective, and confiscatory law prohibiting ordinary law-abiding citizens from possessing magazines in common use violates the Second Amendment. 2. Whether a law dispossessing citizens without compensation of property that was lawfully acquired and long possessed without incident violates the Takings Clause.

NJSP update the date on the "instructions" to 06/30 (today). But the contents of that pdf is exactly same as y'day.. go figure.. https://nj.gov/njsp/firearms/forms.shtml

Did they give your application fee money order back ?

IF there was any doubt before, these bills (past ones too and many more to come) are absolute evidence that they ARE after the Constitution and 2A. These are vengeful actions against regular Joe and further restrict the poor, minority and disadvantaged population from ever exercising Second Amendment of the Constitution. The strategy always has been for select power hungry states to throw sh*t at the wall faster than SCOTUS will ever get to. 15 years to go from "you can have it at home" to "you may have it outside home" - Thats just for ONE restriction. 15 years of violating law of the land by Govt with no consequences. Extrapolate that out and its going to be 50 years before SCOTUS can rule on 3 more such violations. That is, IF SCOTUS stays true to Constitution. By then, all the unconstitutional laws would have been on the books for more than 100 years and become part of the "historical practices". What a mess.

Like a bully in school, they will throw everything and kitchen sink at it. Doesn't actually cost them anything to keep making stupid laws and there are no consequences. Its a real shame that NONE of these bills actually make any difference in crime. We know it, legislature knows it and criminals know it.

I sure hope every law abiding carry person reads this million times, understands and exercises it every day..

"a certified firearms instructor of the National Rifle Association" is used multiple places in the NJ Admin code. That should suffice. If you want to be extra sure, pick one from the RPO list mentioned in the NJSP instruction packet. Anything beyond that is smoke and mirrors. https://www.law.cornell.edu/regulations/new-jersey/N-J-Admin-Code-SS-13-54-2-4

I see lot of debate about qualifications and I totally get the point about local PD (potentially) throwing tantrum. Having said that, its clear as mud as to qualification required from NJSP updated instruction sheet at https://nj.gov/njsp/firearms/pdf/Permit_To_Carry_Instructions.pdf A written qualification seems good enough. b (1 or 2 or 3) - https://www.law.cornell.edu/regulations/new-jersey/N-J-Admin-Code-SS-13-54-2-4 Permit_To_Carry_Instructions.pdf

They still left that "Lack of Justifiable Need" checkbox on the form. WTF ?

This is great info. Can you post this into in the "Pinned..." of Current NJ Laws discussion ?

Did you already talk to your PD ? What did they say ?

Thats why I suspect the first wave of applicants have to throw everything and kitchen sink at it, which unfortunately costs an arm and a leg. I would be VERY surprised if the initial "package" of training, quals, paperwork help, BS photos etc put together by the ranges costs substantially less than $1000.

Mods, appreciate if we can start a pinned post for CCW Permit experience, as folks are gearing up to apply.

https://www.nj.gov/oag/dcj/agguide/directives/ag-Directive-2022-07_Directive Clarifying Requirements For Carrying Of Firearms In Public.pdf I spoke to local PD. They said they are waiting for clarification on what is "insufficient" as to the quals and familiarity. FYI. https://www.law.cornell.edu/regulations/new-jersey/N-J-Admin-Code-SS-13-54-2-4

Not if NJ want to screw us (which is guaranteed) and still look like they are being fair by offering same terms as RPO.. "This identification card shall be valid for one year from the date of issuance and shall be valid throughout the state." https://www.nj.gov/njsp/firearms/rpo-law.shtml

As I read the SCOTUS decision, I came across "common use" multiple times. NJ State has its agents roadm around all day and protect Politicians with all sorts of "Assault Weapons" and "High Capacity Magazines". Time to sue on that "Common Use" basis.